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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 05:31:11 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9o1dev$23l$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0109160031500.7740-100000@flashdance>

In article <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0109160031500.7740-100000@flashdance>,
Peter Magnusson  <iocc@flashdance.nothanksok.cx> wrote:
>
>2.4.10-pre4: quite ok VM, but put little more on the swap than 2.4.7
>2.4.10-pre8: not good

Ehh..

There are _no_ VM changes that I can see between pre4 and pre8.

>2.4.10-pre9: not good ... Linux didnt had used any swap at all, then i
>             unrared two very large files at the same time. And now 104
>             Mbyte swap is used! :-( 2.4.7 didnt do like this.
>             Best is to use the swap as little as possible.

.. and there are none between pre8 and pre9.

Basically, it sounds lik eyou have tested different loads on different
kernels, and some loads are nice and others are not.

Also note that the amount of "swap used" is totally meaningless in
2.4.x. The 2.4.x kernel will _allocate_ the swap backing store much
earlier than 2.2.x, but that doesn't actuall ymean that it does any of
the IO. Indeed, allocating the swap backing store just means that the
swap pages are then kept track of, so that they can be aged along with
other stores.

So whether Linux uses swap or not is a 100% meaningless indicator of
"goodness".  The only thing that matters is how well the job gets done,
ie was it reasonably responsive, and did the big untars finish quickly.. 

Don't look at how many pages of swap were used. That's a statistic,
nothing more.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-09-16  5:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-15 22:43 broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-15 23:50 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-16  5:31 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2001-09-16  8:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-17 10:25   ` Tonu Samuel
2001-09-16 16:47     ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 18:36       ` Alan Cox
2001-09-16 19:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 18:34     ` vm rewrite ready [Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9] Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-16 19:07       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 15:19         ` broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Phillip Susi
2001-09-16 19:33           ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 19:54             ` [PATCH] " Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 19:52           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 19:17         ` vm rewrite ready [Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9] Alan Cox
2001-09-16 19:15           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 19:19         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-16 19:30           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]       ` <20010917174037.7e3739b9.skraw@ithnet.com>
     [not found]         ` <20010917181040.J713@athlon.random>
     [not found]           ` <20010917191256.6e6a1c87.skraw@ithnet.com>
2001-09-17 22:41             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-18  9:00               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-16 19:37     ` broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 14:04       ` Olaf Zaplinski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-09-16 15:19 Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 15:23 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-09-16 16:33   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 16:50     ` Andreas Steinmetz
2001-09-16 17:12       ` Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 17:06     ` Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 17:18       ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 18:16       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-16 18:45         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21  3:16           ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-21 10:21             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 14:08               ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-21 14:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-23 13:13                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-23 13:27                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 10:43             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 12:13               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 12:55                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 13:01                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22 11:01               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-22 20:05                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 19:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 19:57       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 20:17       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 20:29       ` Andreas Steinmetz
2001-09-16 21:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 22:47           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-16 22:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 22:59           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-16 22:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 23:29               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 15:35               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 15:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 16:34                   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 16:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 17:20                       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 17:37                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17  0:37       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17  1:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17  2:23           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17  5:11           ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-17 12:33             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17 12:41               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 14:49                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17 16:14               ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-17 16:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 15:38             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 12:26           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 15:42             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-18 12:04               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 17:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 18:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-18 12:09               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  3:10       ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-17  8:06     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-17 12:12       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 15:45         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] <fa.i95if5v.74un2p@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.gu977tv.1b7u0g9@ifi.uio.no>
2001-09-16 18:06   ` Dan Maas
2001-09-17 15:40 Rob Fuller
2001-09-17 16:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19  9:45   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-19 19:45     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 21:03       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:04         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:26           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 23:05           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-20 11:28           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-20 12:06             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:13               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-21 12:10                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 15:27                 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-22  7:09                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-25 11:04                     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-20 12:57             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-20 13:40               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-24 22:50           ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-26 18:22             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-26 23:44               ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-27 13:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-01 11:37                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-19 23:00         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:23           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-21 12:01             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22  2:14             ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-22  3:09               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 14:29           ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-09-21 14:35             ` Horst von Brand
2001-09-19 21:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 21:55         ` David S. Miller
2001-09-20 13:02           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-19 22:15 Rob Fuller
2001-09-19 22:21 ` David S. Miller
2001-09-19 22:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-20  3:16   ` GOTO Masanori
2001-09-20  7:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-19 22:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:51 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2001-09-22 19:59 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 20:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22 19:59 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 20:46 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-22 21:46   ` Peter Magnusson

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