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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:43:25 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9o2vct$889$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1000653836.2440.0.camel@gromit.house> <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0109161330000.9536-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>

In article <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0109161330000.9536-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>,
Rik van Riel  <riel@conectiva.com.br> wrote:
>On 16 Sep 2001, Michael Rothwell wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to tell the VM to prune its cache? Or a way to limit
>> the amount of cache it uses?
>
>Not yet, I'll make a quick hack for this when I get back next
>week. It's pretty obvious now that the 2.4 kernel cannot get
>enough information to select the right pages to evict from
>memory.

Don't be stupid.

The desribed behaviour has nothing to do with limiting the cache or
anything else "cannot get enough information", except for the fact that
the kernel obviously cannot know what will happen in the future.

The kernel _correctly_ swapped out tons of pages that weren't touched in
a long long time. That's what you want to happen - the fact that they
then all became active on logout is sad.

The fact that the "use-once" logic didn't kick in is the problem. It's
hard to tell _why_ it didn't kick in, possibly because the MP3 player
read small chunks of the pages (touching them multiple times). 

THAT is worth looking into. But blathering about "reverse mappings will
help this" is just incredibly stupid. You seem to think that they are a
panacea for all problems, ranging from MP3 playback to world peace and
re-building the WTC.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-09-16 19:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-16 15:19 broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 15:23 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-09-16 16:33   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 16:50     ` Andreas Steinmetz
2001-09-16 17:12       ` Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 17:06     ` Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 17:18       ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 18:16       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-16 18:45         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21  3:16           ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-21 10:21             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 14:08               ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-21 14:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-23 13:13                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-23 13:27                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 10:43             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 12:13               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 12:55                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 13:01                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22 11:01               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-22 20:05                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24  9:36                 ` Linux VM design VDA
2001-09-24 11:06                   ` Dave Jones
2001-09-24 12:15                     ` Kirill Ratkin
2001-09-24 13:29                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24 14:05                     ` VDA
2001-09-24 14:37                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24 14:42                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24 18:37                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-24 18:46                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-09-24 19:16                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-24 19:32                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24 17:27                       ` Rob Landley
2001-09-24 21:48                         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-25  9:58                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-25 16:03                     ` bill davidsen
2001-09-24 19:11                   ` Dan Mann
2001-09-25 10:55                     ` VDA
2001-09-16 19:43     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2001-09-16 19:57       ` broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 20:17       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 20:29       ` Andreas Steinmetz
2001-09-16 21:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 22:47           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-16 22:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 22:59           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-16 22:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 23:29               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 15:35               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 15:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 16:34                   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 16:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 17:20                       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 17:37                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17  0:37       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17  1:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17  2:23           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17  5:11           ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-17 12:33             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17 12:41               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 14:49                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17 16:14               ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-17 16:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 15:38             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 12:26           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 15:42             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-18 12:04               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 17:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 18:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-18 12:09               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  3:10       ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-17  8:06     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-17 12:12       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 15:45         ` Eric W. Biederman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-09-22 19:59 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 20:46 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-22 21:46   ` Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 19:59 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 20:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-19 22:15 Rob Fuller
2001-09-19 22:21 ` David S. Miller
2001-09-19 22:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-20  3:16   ` GOTO Masanori
2001-09-20  7:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-19 22:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:51 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2001-09-17 15:40 Rob Fuller
2001-09-17 16:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19  9:45   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-19 19:45     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 21:03       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:04         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:26           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 23:05           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-20 11:28           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-20 12:06             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:13               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-21 12:10                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 15:27                 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-22  7:09                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-25 11:04                     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-20 12:57             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-20 13:40               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-24 22:50           ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-26 18:22             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-26 23:44               ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-27 13:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-01 11:37                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-19 23:00         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:23           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-21 12:01             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22  2:14             ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-22  3:09               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 14:29           ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-09-21 14:35             ` Horst von Brand
2001-09-19 21:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 21:55         ` David S. Miller
2001-09-20 13:02           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 19:07 vm rewrite ready [Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9] Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 15:19 ` broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Phillip Susi
2001-09-16 19:33   ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 19:52   ` Rik van Riel
     [not found] <fa.i95if5v.74un2p@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.gu977tv.1b7u0g9@ifi.uio.no>
2001-09-16 18:06   ` Dan Maas
2001-09-15 22:43 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-15 23:50 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-16  5:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16  8:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-17 10:25   ` Tonu Samuel
2001-09-16 16:47     ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 18:36       ` Alan Cox
2001-09-16 19:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 19:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 14:04       ` Olaf Zaplinski

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