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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Context switch times
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:42:37 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9piokt$8v9$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E15pFor-0004sC-00@fenrus.demon.nl> <200110042139.f94Ld5r09675@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <20011004.145239.62666846.davem@redhat.com> <20011004175526.C18528@redhat.com>

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In article <20011004175526.C18528@redhat.com>,
Benjamin LaHaise  <bcrl@redhat.com> wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 02:52:39PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
>> So the FPU hit is only before/after the runs, not during each and
>> every iteration.
>
>Right.  Plus, the original mail mentioned that it was hitting all 8 
>CPUs, which is a pretty good example of braindead scheduler behaviour.

Careful.

That's not actually true (the braindead part, that i).

We went through this with Ingo and Larry McVoy, and the sad fact is that
to get the best numbers for lmbench, you simply have to do the wrong
thing. 

Could we try to hit just two? Probably, but it doesn't really matter,
though: to make the lmbench scheduler benchmark go at full speed, you
want to limit it to _one_ CPU, which is not sensible in real-life
situations.  The amount of concurrency in the context switching
benchmark is pretty small, and does not make up for bouncing the locks
etc between CPU's. 

However, that lack of concurrency in lmbench is totally due to the
artificial nature of the benchmark, and the bigger-footprint scheduling
stuff (that isn't reported very much in the summary) are more realistic.

So 2.4.x took the (painful) road of saying that we care less about that
particular benchmark than about some other more realistic loads. 

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-04 22:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-04 21:04 Context switch times Mike Kravetz
2001-10-04 21:14 ` arjan
2001-10-04 21:25   ` David S. Miller
2001-10-04 21:39     ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 21:52       ` David S. Miller
2001-10-04 21:55         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04 22:35           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-04 22:49             ` Mike Kravetz
2001-10-04 22:42           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2001-10-04 22:53             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-05 15:13               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-05 17:49                 ` george anzinger
2001-10-05 22:29                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-05 22:56                     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 23:04                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-05 23:16                         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 23:17                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-05 23:21                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 23:43                         ` Roger Larsson
2001-10-07  1:20                     ` george anzinger
2001-10-07  1:33                       ` Bill Davidsen
2001-10-07  9:56                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-06  2:24                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-10-06  2:57                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-07  9:57                 ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 13:03                   ` Ingo Oeser
2001-10-07 13:48                     ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 14:24                       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-10-07 14:33                         ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 18:00                           ` george anzinger
2001-10-07 22:06                             ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 22:31                               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-07 22:33                                 ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 23:49                               ` george anzinger
2001-10-08 21:07                                 ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-08 22:54                                   ` discontig physical memory Petko Manolov
2001-10-08 23:05                                     ` David S. Miller
2001-10-08 23:18                                       ` Petko Manolov
2001-10-08 23:29                                         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-09  0:34                                           ` Petko Manolov
2001-10-09  0:36                                           ` Petko Manolov
2001-10-09  1:37                                             ` David S. Miller
2001-10-09  2:43                                               ` Petko Manolov
2001-10-08 15:19                           ` Context switch times bill davidsen
2001-10-10  6:07                             ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-07 18:39                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-09 20:37                   ` Hubertus Franke
2001-10-09 23:50                     ` george anzinger
2001-10-11 10:52                       ` Hubertus Franke
2001-10-04 23:41             ` Mike Kravetz
2001-10-04 23:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 15:15                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 23:56               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05  0:45               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-05  4:35                 ` Mike Kravetz
2001-10-07 17:59                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-07 19:54                     ` george anzinger
2001-10-07 20:24                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-09  4:55         ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-09  5:00           ` David S. Miller
2001-10-09 13:49           ` bill davidsen
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2001-10-05  6:31 Michailidis, Dimitrios

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