From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: VM-related Oops: 2.4.15pre1
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:31:15 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9t7o43$1am$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011118051023.A25232@athlon.random> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111172220300.1290-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <20011118073730.C25232@athlon.random>
In article <20011118073730.C25232@athlon.random>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:
>
>I know all is right if GCC just overwrites the page->flags with data
>that keeps PG_locked set. But GCC doesn't guarantee that. GCC can as
>well do:
>
> flags = page->flags;
> page->flags = 0;
>
> change flags here
>
> page->flags = flags
Sure.
>From a C language lawyer standpoing a C compiler can do pretty much
whatever it damn well chooses to do, including temporarily changing
"page->flags" even if the C source doesn't have any reference to
"page->flags" at _all_. The compiler might decide that it temporarily
wants to use that memory for something else, and since "Strictly
conforming ANSI C" does not have a notion of threads etc interesting
issues, you can probably argue that just about _anything_ falls under
"gcc doesn't guarantee that".
>probably gcc doesn't, but that's still a kernel bug.
No. It would be a _gcc_ bug if gcc did things to "page->flags" that the
code did not ask it to do. And that is _regardless_ of any notions of
"strictly conforming C code". The fact is, that if gcc were to clear a
bit that the code never clears, that is a HUGE AND GAPING GCC BUG.
Not kernel bug.
The fact is, if we write code that leaves a certain bit unmodified, gcc
MUST NOT modify that bit. If gcc generated code that temporarily
modifies the bit, I can show user-level code that would break with
signals. See "sig_atomic_t" and friends - the compiler simply _has_ to
guarantee that the semantics you write in C code are actually upheld.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-11-18 7:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-11-16 22:23 VM-related Oops: 2.4.15pre1 Simon Kirby
2001-11-17 22:53 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2001-11-18 3:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-18 4:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-18 6:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-18 6:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-18 7:31 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2001-11-18 12:05 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-19 2:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 2:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 18:40 ` kuznet
2001-11-19 10:15 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-19 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 18:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-19 19:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 23:52 ` John Alvord
2001-11-21 2:31 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <200111180731.fAI7VFa01371@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-11-18 7:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-18 17:10 ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-19 2:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 3:22 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-11-19 8:44 ` David Woodhouse
2001-11-19 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 17:56 ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-19 18:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 18:31 ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-19 20:01 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-19 21:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 21:49 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 22:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 22:59 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 23:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-20 0:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 0:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-20 0:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 23:27 ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-19 23:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 23:52 ` Simon Kirby
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