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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Booting a modular kernel through a multiple streams file
Date: 18 Dec 2001 11:10:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9vo4b3$iet$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112180350550.6100-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <T57e612d0dbac1785e6169@pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk>

Followup to:  <T57e612d0dbac1785e6169@pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk>
By author:    James A Sutherland <james@sutherland.net>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> On Tuesday 18 December 2001 8:55 am, Alexander Viro wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, James A Sutherland wrote:
> > > Not necessarily. You could, say, put the modules in a small filesystem
> > > image - say, Minix, or maybe ext2. Then just have the loader put that
> > > disk image into RAM, and have the kernel able to read disk images from
> > > RAM initially.
> > >
> > > Of course, this revolutionary new features needs a name. Something like
> > > initrd, perhaps?
> >
> > Had you actually looked at initrd-related code?  I had and "bloody mess"
> > is the kindest description I've been able to come up with.  Even after
> > cleanups and boy, were they painful...
> 
> With a choice between that, or teaching lilo, grub etc how to link modules - 
> and how to read NTFS and XFS, and losing the ability to boot from fat, minix 
> etc floppies, tftp or nfs servers - almost any level of existing nastiness 
> would be preferable to that sort of insane codebloat!
> 

Note that Al is working on a replacement; he's not just bitching.  The
replacement is called "initramfs" which means populating a ramfs from
an archive or collection of archives passwd by the bootloader.  With
that in there, lots of things can be done in userspace.

I had my own idea for how to do this, but I don't really seem to be
able to get the time to work it...

	-hpa
-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-12-18 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112180350550.6100-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
2001-12-18 11:16 ` Booting a modular kernel through a multiple streams file James A Sutherland
2001-12-18 19:10   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2001-12-19  9:27     ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-19 10:11       ` Erik Andersen
2001-12-23  0:39     ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  0:42       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  1:15         ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  1:35           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  2:08             ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23  7:20 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-23  9:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-23  9:47   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 21:24     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112190313080.9963-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
2001-12-19  8:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-19 14:55   ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-19 15:49     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-19 17:03       ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-19 19:01         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-20  3:30         ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-18 20:35 Torrey Hoffman
2001-12-18 19:50 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 20:30 ` M. R. Brown
2001-12-18 20:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-19  9:34 ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-23  1:02   ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  9:10     ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-19 14:13 ` Erik Mouw
2001-12-18 17:47 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 18:53 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 19:43 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-18 17:43 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 18:45 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 18:49 ` Greg KH
2001-12-17 22:10 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18  2:31 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18  5:46   ` Craig Christophel
2001-12-23  0:28   ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  0:44   ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  1:39   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  2:10     ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23  3:00       ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  3:52         ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23  4:41         ` Ryan Cumming
2001-12-23  5:52           ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  7:16             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-12-23  8:06               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 12:22                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-23 20:58                   ` Erik Mouw
2001-12-17 19:53 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-17 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-16 20:37 Otto Wyss
2001-12-16 20:50 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-17 18:49   ` Otto Wyss
2001-12-17 19:07     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-12-20 18:47       ` Otto Wyss
2001-12-16 21:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-16 22:02   ` antirez
2001-12-16 22:18     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  0:08 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  6:26   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-23 13:48   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-23 17:57     ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 23:05     ` Marcus Meissner
2001-12-24  2:38       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 10:58       ` Wilfried Weissmann

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