From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Booting a modular kernel through a multiple streams file
Date: 18 Dec 2001 11:10:27 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9vo4b3$iet$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112180350550.6100-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <T57e612d0dbac1785e6169@pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk>
Followup to: <T57e612d0dbac1785e6169@pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk>
By author: James A Sutherland <james@sutherland.net>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> On Tuesday 18 December 2001 8:55 am, Alexander Viro wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, James A Sutherland wrote:
> > > Not necessarily. You could, say, put the modules in a small filesystem
> > > image - say, Minix, or maybe ext2. Then just have the loader put that
> > > disk image into RAM, and have the kernel able to read disk images from
> > > RAM initially.
> > >
> > > Of course, this revolutionary new features needs a name. Something like
> > > initrd, perhaps?
> >
> > Had you actually looked at initrd-related code? I had and "bloody mess"
> > is the kindest description I've been able to come up with. Even after
> > cleanups and boy, were they painful...
>
> With a choice between that, or teaching lilo, grub etc how to link modules -
> and how to read NTFS and XFS, and losing the ability to boot from fat, minix
> etc floppies, tftp or nfs servers - almost any level of existing nastiness
> would be preferable to that sort of insane codebloat!
>
Note that Al is working on a replacement; he's not just bitching. The
replacement is called "initramfs" which means populating a ramfs from
an archive or collection of archives passwd by the bootloader. With
that in there, lots of things can be done in userspace.
I had my own idea for how to do this, but I don't really seem to be
able to get the time to work it...
-hpa
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[not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112180350550.6100-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
2001-12-18 11:16 ` Booting a modular kernel through a multiple streams file James A Sutherland
2001-12-18 19:10 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2001-12-19 9:27 ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-19 10:11 ` Erik Andersen
2001-12-23 0:39 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 0:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 1:15 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 1:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 2:08 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23 7:20 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-23 9:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-23 9:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 21:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112190313080.9963-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
2001-12-19 8:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-19 14:55 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-19 15:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-19 17:03 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-19 19:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-20 3:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-18 20:35 Torrey Hoffman
2001-12-18 19:50 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 20:30 ` M. R. Brown
2001-12-18 20:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-19 9:34 ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-23 1:02 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 9:10 ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-19 14:13 ` Erik Mouw
2001-12-18 17:47 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 18:53 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 19:43 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-18 17:43 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 18:45 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 18:49 ` Greg KH
2001-12-17 22:10 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 2:31 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 5:46 ` Craig Christophel
2001-12-23 0:28 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 0:44 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 1:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 2:10 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23 3:00 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 3:52 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23 4:41 ` Ryan Cumming
2001-12-23 5:52 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 7:16 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-12-23 8:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 12:22 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-23 20:58 ` Erik Mouw
2001-12-17 19:53 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-17 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-16 20:37 Otto Wyss
2001-12-16 20:50 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-17 18:49 ` Otto Wyss
2001-12-17 19:07 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-12-20 18:47 ` Otto Wyss
2001-12-16 21:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-16 22:02 ` antirez
2001-12-16 22:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 0:08 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 6:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-23 13:48 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-23 17:57 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 23:05 ` Marcus Meissner
2001-12-24 2:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 10:58 ` Wilfried Weissmann
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