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From: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	jan.kratochvil@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Proposal for ptrace improvements
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 00:16:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=cUM9S5M7h0unMfbQ88CzqhoDN9CUEVf_9HrdS@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110301152457.GE26074@htj.dyndns.org>

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
> PROPOSAL
> --------
> ...
> P5. "^Z" and "fg" for tracees
>
> A ptracer, as it currently stands and proposed here, has full control
> over the execution state of its tracee.  The tracer is notified
> whenever the tracee stops and can always resume its execution;
> however, there is one missing piece.
>
> As proposed, when a tracee enters jctl stop, it enters TASK_TRACED
> from which emission of SIGCONT can't resume the tracee.  This makes it
> impossible for a tracer to become transparent with respect to jctl.
> For example, after strace(1) is attached to a task, the task can be
> ^Z'd but then can't be fg'd.
>
> One approach to this problem is somehow making it work implicitly from
> the kernel - as in putting the tracee into TASK_STOPPED or somehow
> handling TASK_TRACED for jctl stop differently; however, I think such
> approach is cumbersome in both concept and implementation.  Instead of
> being able to say "while ptraced, a tracee's execution is fully under
> the control of its tracer", subtle and fragile exceptions need to be
> introduced.
>
> A better way to solve this is simply giving the tracer the capability
> to listen for the end of jctl stop.  That way, the problem is solved
> in a manner which is consistent, may not be to everyone's liking but
> nonetheless consistent, with the rest of ptrace.  Execution state of
> the tracee is always under the control of the tracer.  The only thing
> which changes is that the tracer now can find out when jctl stop ends,
> which also could be an additional useful debugging feature.
>
> It would be most fitting to use wait(2) for delivery of this
> notification.  WCONTINUED is the obvious candidate but I think it is
> better to use STOPPED notification because the task is not really
> resumed.  Only its mode of stop changes.  What state the tracee is in
> can be determined by retriving siginfo using PTRACE_GETSIGINFO.
>
> This also effectively makes the notification level-triggered instead
> of edge-triggered, which is a big plus.  No matter which state the
> tracee is in, a jctl stopped notification is guaranteed to happen
> after the lastest event and the tracer can always find out the latest
> state with PTRACE_GETSIGINFO.
>
> Using stopped notification also makes the new addition harmless to the
> existing users.  It's just another stopped notification.  Both
> strace(1) and gdb(1) don't distinguish the signal delivery and jctl
> stop notifications and react the same way by resuming the tracee
> unconditionally.  One more stopped notification on SIGCONT emission
> doesn't change much.

Let's spell this out in detail. Please correct me if
I misunderstood your proposal:

We have a stopped task under ptrace.
(More precisely: debugger got a WSTOPPED notification via waitpid.
Debugger decided to emulate the job control stop, therefore it
keeps tracee stopped, therefore it just waits on waitpid
without doing any PTRACE_CONTs).

Another task sends SIGCONT to the tracee.

Debugger gets waitpid notification of the
WSTOPPED, WSTOPSIG == SIGCONT form.

Debugger can check PTRACE_GETSIGINFO, which succeeds.
Debugger now knows it's a signal delivery notification.
(This step looks optional, since currently
WSTOPPED, WSTOPSIG == SIGCONT combination is only possible
on signal delivery, unlike, for example,
WSTOPPED, WSTOPSIG == SIGSTOP, which is ambiguous).

Debugger performs PTRACE_CONT(SIGCONT) - it injects the signal.
[Question: what if debugger doesn't? IOW: is it possible
for debugger to suppress SIGCONTs, or not?
IOW2: what should happen if debugger
(a) does not do any PTRACE_CONT at all? or
(b) does PTRACE_CONT(<other_sig>)? or
(c) does PTRACE_CONT(0)?
]

Debugger gets WCONTINUED waitpid notification.
[question: do we need this?]


-- 
vda

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-03-01 23:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-01 15:24 [RFC] Proposal for ptrace improvements Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 16:57 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-01 17:09   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 17:12     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 17:21     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-01 18:34       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 23:51         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:10           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02  5:07         ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-02  7:44           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:32             ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-02 11:52               ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 14:50               ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 13:32             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-03  0:47               ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-03  1:30                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-03  1:55                   ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-03  7:03                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 19:06 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-01 22:14   ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:28     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 10:58       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 16:14     ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-04 16:41       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 17:07       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 18:12         ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-05  8:47           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 22:59 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:32   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:02     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 11:23       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-03 19:26         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-01 23:16 ` Denys Vlasenko [this message]
2011-03-02  7:37   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:21     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 11:27       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:48         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 14:43           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 15:16             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 15:25               ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-03 17:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-03 20:22   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04  8:23     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 18:16       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-05  8:33         ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 13:01     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 13:41       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 13:59         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 14:07           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 14:31             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 14:40               ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 17:05                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 17:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 18:59                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 19:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 16:13               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 16:30                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04  8:44   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 16:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 16:15       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 16:26         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-07 15:08 ` PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT: " Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-09  9:41   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-09 17:30     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-07 20:43 ` Roland McGrath
2011-03-09 10:28   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-10 18:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-11  8:13       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-11  8:22       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-11  9:35         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2011-03-11  9:43           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-14  1:03     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-03-10 15:55   ` Steven Rostedt

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