From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754307Ab0ESRaW (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2010 13:30:22 -0400 Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com ([209.85.161.46]:38710 "EHLO mail-fx0-f46.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751838Ab0ESRaU convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2010 13:30:20 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=P4WcUp6rVPKOCM++rEHqT0LfkBLpf+F8k8Jzhe2PykcPCQRR6CCXMZzSb+gzYn9NZL a5aTCN+Jdrzh75T1BoKG7x0OqulWnfa1XDWSwafvU3kxFghrsTcpt1G8SE+o42YwiV7g qTqGEXbM/oOZhkgmQSQZ56OU1kXqtTFfiQKuE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4BF18995.6070008@redhat.com> <4BF2392A.9040409@jp.fujitsu.com> <4BF2C3D1.10009@redhat.com> <1274204560.17703.82.camel@Joe-Laptop.home> <20100518185305.GA23921@elte.hu> <987664A83D2D224EAE907B061CE93D53C61D1C57@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com> <20100518191802.GG25224@aftab> <20100518222832.GJ22675@basil.fritz.box> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:30:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hardware Error Kernel Mini-Summit From: Tony Luck To: "Eric W. Biederman" Cc: Andi Kleen , Borislav Petkov , Hidetoshi Seto , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , "Young, Brent" , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Ingo Molnar , Thomas Gleixner , Matt Domsch , Doug Thompson , Joe Perches , Ingo Molnar , "bluesmoke-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" , Linux Edac Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > A log is a fine format for realizing you have a problem.  A > log doesn't need to be the only place errors are reported > but a log should be the default place ECC errors are reported. > We do that with hard drive errors and other kinds of hardware > errors and we have done it for years without problems. Hard drives aren't really a similar situation ... we don't see any of the low level errors from a modern hard drive because its f/w handles the retries and block re-mapping transparently. By the time something serious enough happens that it gets reported to the OS, we pretty much already know that there is a real problem. We are still in the dark ages for memory errors where the OS is expected to look at all the errors and figure out whether they represent any kind of meaningful pattern that requires some action to replace h/w components. -Tony