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From: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linux PM mailing list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@ti.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, lethal@linux-sh.org,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] PM: Make power domain callbacks take precedence over subsystem ones
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:15:16 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTiknpAkUQMaq3WZSTHy2cs-vXkv08Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1104130954270.2005-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>
>> From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl>
>>
>> Change the PM core's behavior related to power domains in such a way
>> that, if a power domain is defined for a given device, its callbacks
>> will be executed instead of and not in addition to the device
>> subsystem's PM callbacks.
>>
>> The idea behind the initial implementation of power domains handling
>> by the PM core was that power domain callbacks would be executed in
>> addition to subsystem callbacks, so that it would be possible to
>> extend the subsystem callbacks by using power domains.  It turns out,
>> however, that this wouldn't be really convenient in some important
>> situations.
>>
>> For example, there are systems in which power can only be removed
>> from entire power domains.  On those systems it is not desirable to
>> execute device drivers' PM callbacks until it is known that power is
>> going to be removed from the devices in question, which means that
>> they should be executed by power domain callbacks rather then by
>> subsystem (e.g. bus type) PM callbacks, because subsystems generally
>> have no information about what devices belong to which power domain.
>> Thus, for instance, if the bus type in question is the platform bus
>> type, its PM callbacks generally should not be called in addition to
>> power domain callbacks, because they run device drivers' callbacks
>> unconditionally if defined.
>
> What about systems where it makes sense to execute the subsystem
> callbacks even if power isn't going to be removed from the device?
> It's quite possible that the subsystem could reduce the device's power
> consumption even when the device isn't powered down completely.

The understanding Rafael and I came to was that if a power domain is
attached to a device, then the power domain becomes the responsible
party.  Normally this means it will turn around and immediately call
the bus_type pm ops, but it has the option to not call them if for a
particular system it knows better, or to defer calling them.

Basically, if you're using a power domain, it is assumed that the
power domain has particular knowledge about the system, and it should
have the option to override the default behaviour.

>
> Is the extra overhead of invoking the subsystem callback really all
> that troublesome?

It isn't an overhead problem.  It's a control & complexity problem.
We could try to implement a heuristic or api to control when the bus
type PM ops should be overridden, but I think it is cleaner to make it
a rule that if you implement a power domain, then that power domain
becomes responsible for all PM operations.

g.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-13 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-13  0:05 [RFC][PATCH] PM: Make power domain callbacks take precedence over subsystem ones Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-13 14:17 ` Alan Stern
2011-04-13 16:15   ` Grant Likely [this message]
2011-04-14 23:12     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-15 14:38       ` Grant Likely
2011-04-15 14:39       ` Alan Stern
2011-04-14 18:20 ` Magnus Damm
2011-04-14 22:45   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-15 14:34     ` Alan Stern
2011-04-15 23:18       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 17:15         ` Kevin Hilman
2011-04-16 23:12           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-14 23:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] Remove __weak definitions of platform PM callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-14 23:18   ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] shmobile: Use power domains for platform runtime PM Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-14 23:19   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] PM / Platform: Use generic runtime PM callbacks directly Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 17:17 ` [RFC][PATCH] PM: Make power domain callbacks take precedence over subsystem ones Kevin Hilman
2011-04-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 0/9] PM: Rework shmobile and OMAP runtime PM using power domains Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 23:36   ` [PATCH 1/9] PM: Make power domain callbacks take precedence over subsystem ones Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 23:37   ` [PATCH 2/9] PM: Export platform bus type's default PM callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 23:38   ` [PATCH 3/9] shmobile: Use power domains for platform runtime PM Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 23:38   ` [PATCH 4/9] PM / Platform: Use generic runtime PM callbacks directly Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 23:39   ` [PATCH 5/9] OMAP2+ / PM: Move runtime PM implementation to use power domains Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 23:40   ` [PATCH 6/9] PM / Runtime: Add subsystem data field to struct dev_pm_info Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 23:42   ` [PATCH 7/9] PM / Runtime: Add generic clock manipulation rountines for runtime PM Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-18 19:59     ` [Update][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-19 10:18       ` Magnus Damm
2011-04-19 21:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-19 21:59           ` Paul Mundt
2011-04-19 22:10             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-19 22:20               ` Paul Mundt
2011-04-19 22:50                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-19 10:58     ` [linux-pm] [PATCH " Mark Brown
2011-04-19 21:35       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-20 11:57         ` Mark Brown
2011-04-16 23:43   ` [PATCH 8/9] OMAP1 / PM: Use generic clock manipulation routines " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-18  8:18     ` Paul Mundt
2011-04-18 19:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-16 23:44   ` [PATCH 9/9] PM: Revert "driver core: platform_bus: allow runtime override of dev_pm_ops" Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:30   ` [PATCH 0/9] PM: Rework shmobile and OMAP runtime PM using power domains (v2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:36     ` [PATCH 1/9] PM: Make power domain callbacks take precedence over subsystem ones Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:37     ` [PATCH 2/9] PM: Export platform bus type's default PM callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:38     ` [PATCH 3/9] shmobile: Use power domains for platform runtime PM Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:39     ` [PATCH 4/9] PM / Platform: Use generic runtime PM callbacks directly Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:41     ` [PATCH 5/9] OMAP2+ / PM: move runtime PM implementation to use device power domains Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:42     ` [PATCH 6/9] PM / Runtime: Add subsystem data field to struct dev_pm_info Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:42     ` [PATCH 7/9] PM / Runtime: Generic clock manipulation rountines for runtime PM (v2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-27 21:48       ` [Update][PATCH 7/9] PM / Runtime: Generic clock manipulation rountines for runtime PM (v3) Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-27 23:04         ` Colin Cross
2011-04-28  0:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-28  1:06             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-28  1:33               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-28 19:36                 ` [Update x2][PATCH 7/9] PM / Runtime: Generic clock manipulation rountines for runtime PM (v5) Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-29 19:35                   ` Stephen Boyd
2011-04-29 20:29                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-29 22:04                       ` [Update x3][PATCH 7/9] PM / Runtime: Generic clock manipulation rountines for runtime PM (v6) Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-03 17:00                         ` Stephen Boyd
2011-05-03 17:38                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-29 20:50             ` [Update][PATCH 7/9] PM / Runtime: Generic clock manipulation rountines for runtime PM (v3) Grant Likely
2011-04-29 21:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:43     ` [PATCH 8/9] OMAP1 / PM: Use generic clock manipulation routines for runtime PM Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-16 10:16       ` Kevin Hilman
2011-05-16 18:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 21:44     ` [PATCH 9/9] PM: Revert "driver core: platform_bus: allow runtime override of dev_pm_ops" Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-24 23:36     ` [PATCH 0/9] PM: Rework shmobile and OMAP runtime PM using power domains (v2) Greg KH

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