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From: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
To: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>, Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Youngjun Park <youngjun.park@lge.com>,
	 Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	 Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	 "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/19] mm, swap: always try to free swap cache for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO devices
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2025 16:26:57 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGsJ_4z9xTd=oHDuzLbdkyhd_F=tj2A3K_dsp33dXad6pvVZpA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4xOd0CJLZvzvZu9mRLjVvV0OSKE8NcBAYe3wvHFtLjWyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 12:19 PM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 11:59 PM Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
> >
> > Now SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO devices are also using swap cache. One side
> > effect is that a folio may stay in swap cache for a longer time due to
> > lazy freeing (vm_swap_full()). This can help save some CPU / IO if folios
> > are being swapped out very frequently right after swapin, hence improving
> > the performance. But the long pinning of swap slots also increases the
> > fragmentation rate of the swap device significantly, and currently,
> > all in-tree SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO devices are RAM disks, so it also
> > causes the backing memory to be pinned, increasing the memory pressure.
> >
> > So drop the swap cache immediately for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO devices
> > after swapin finishes. Swap cache has served its role as a
> > synchronization layer to prevent any parallel swapin from wasting
> > CPU or memory allocation, and the redundant IO is not a major concern
> > for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO devices.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
> > ---
> >  mm/memory.c | 13 +++++++++++--
> >  1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/memory.c b/mm/memory.c
> > index 9a43d4811781..78457347ae60 100644
> > --- a/mm/memory.c
> > +++ b/mm/memory.c
> > @@ -4359,12 +4359,21 @@ static vm_fault_t remove_device_exclusive_entry(struct vm_fault *vmf)
> >         return 0;
> >  }
> >
> > -static inline bool should_try_to_free_swap(struct folio *folio,
> > +static inline bool should_try_to_free_swap(struct swap_info_struct *si,
> > +                                          struct folio *folio,
> >                                            struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >                                            unsigned int fault_flags)
> >  {
> >         if (!folio_test_swapcache(folio))
> >                 return false;
> > +       /*
> > +        * Try to free swap cache for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO devices.
> > +        * Redundant IO is unlikely to be an issue for them, but a
> > +        * slot being pinned by swap cache may cause more fragmentation
> > +        * and delayed freeing of swap metadata.
> > +        */
>
> I don’t like the claim about “redundant I/O” — it sounds misleading. Those
> I/Os are not redundant; they are simply saved by swapcache, which prevents
> some swap-out I/O when a recently swap-in folio is swapped out again.
>
> So, could we make it a bit more specific in both the comment and the commit
> message?

Sorry, on second thought—consider a case where process A mmaps 100 MB and writes
to it to populate memory, then forks process B. If that 100 MB gets swapped out,
and A and B later swap it in separately for reading, with this change it seems
they would each get their own 100 MB copy (total 2 × 100 MB), whereas previously
they could share the same 100 MB?

Thanks
Barry

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-04  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 15:58 [PATCH 00/19] mm, swap: never bypass swap cache and cleanup flags (swap table phase II) Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 01/19] mm/swap: rename __read_swap_cache_async to swap_cache_alloc_folio Kairui Song
2025-10-30 22:53   ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]     ` <CAGsJ_4x1P0ypm70De7qDcDxqvY93GEPW6X2sBS_xfSUem5_S2w@mail.gmail.com>
2025-11-03  9:02       ` Kairui Song
2025-11-03  9:10         ` Barry Song
2025-11-03 16:50         ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 02/19] mm, swap: split swap cache preparation loop into a standalone helper Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 03/19] mm, swap: never bypass the swap cache even for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO Kairui Song
2025-11-04  3:47   ` Barry Song
2025-11-04 10:44     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 04/19] mm, swap: always try to free swap cache for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO devices Kairui Song
2025-11-04  4:19   ` Barry Song
2025-11-04  8:26     ` Barry Song [this message]
2025-11-04 10:55       ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 05/19] mm, swap: simplify the code and reduce indention Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 06/19] mm, swap: free the swap cache after folio is mapped Kairui Song
2025-11-04  9:14   ` Barry Song
2025-11-04 10:50     ` Kairui Song
2025-11-04 19:52       ` Barry Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 07/19] mm/shmem: never bypass the swap cache for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 08/19] mm/shmem, swap: remove SWAP_MAP_SHMEM Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 09/19] mm, swap: swap entry of a bad slot should not be considered as swapped out Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 10/19] mm, swap: consolidate cluster reclaim and check logic Kairui Song
2025-10-31  5:25   ` YoungJun Park
2025-10-31  7:11     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 11/19] mm, swap: split locked entry duplicating into a standalone helper Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 12/19] mm, swap: use swap cache as the swap in synchronize layer Kairui Song
2025-10-29 19:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 13/19] mm, swap: remove workaround for unsynchronized swap map cache state Kairui Song
2025-11-07  3:07   ` Barry Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 14/19] mm, swap: sanitize swap entry management workflow Kairui Song
2025-10-29 19:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-30  5:25     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 19:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-01  4:51   ` YoungJun Park
2025-11-01  8:59     ` Kairui Song
2025-11-01  9:08       ` YoungJun Park
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 15/19] mm, swap: add folio to swap cache directly on allocation Kairui Song
2025-10-29 16:52   ` Kairui Song
2025-10-31  5:56   ` YoungJun Park
2025-10-31  7:02     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 16/19] mm, swap: check swap table directly for checking cache Kairui Song
2025-11-06 21:02   ` Barry Song
2025-11-07  3:13     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 17/19] mm, swap: clean up and improve swap entries freeing Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 18/19] mm, swap: drop the SWAP_HAS_CACHE flag Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 19/19] mm, swap: remove no longer needed _swap_info_get Kairui Song
2025-10-30 23:04 ` [PATCH 00/19] mm, swap: never bypass swap cache and cleanup flags (swap table phase II) Yosry Ahmed
2025-10-31  6:58   ` Kairui Song
2025-11-05  7:39 ` Chris Li

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