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From: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:47:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKfTPtDUvH--WxFATTW6YRAvLuohzyNHDUq6DRdfxc7gRKCX6Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140603155007.GZ30445@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 3 June 2014 17:50, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 04:47:03PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
>> Since we may do periodic load-balance every 10 ms or so, we will perform
>> a number of load-balances where runnable_avg_sum will mostly be
>> reflecting the state of the world before a change (new task queued or
>> moved a task to a different cpu). If you had have two tasks continuously
>> on one cpu and your other cpu is idle, and you move one of the tasks to
>> the other cpu, runnable_avg_sum will remain unchanged, 47742, on the
>> first cpu while it starts from 0 on the other one. 10 ms later it will
>> have increased a bit, 32 ms later it will be 47742/2, and 345 ms later
>> it reaches 47742. In the mean time the cpu doesn't appear fully utilized
>> and we might decide to put more tasks on it because we don't know if
>> runnable_avg_sum represents a partially utilized cpu (for example a 50%
>> task) or if it will continue to rise and eventually get to 47742.
>
> Ah, no, since we track per task, and update the per-cpu ones when we
> migrate tasks, the per-cpu values should be instantly updated.
>
> If we were to increase per task storage, we might as well also track
> running_avg not only runnable_avg.

I agree that the removed running_avg should give more useful
information about the the load of a CPU.

The main issue with running_avg is that it's disturbed by other tasks
(as point out previously). As a typical example,  if we have 2 tasks
with a load of 25% on 1 CPU, the unweighted runnable_load_avg will be
in the range of [100% - 50%] depending of the parallelism of the
runtime of the tasks whereas the reality is 50% and the use of
running_avg will return this value

Vincent

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-04  7:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-23 15:52 [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] sched: fix imbalance flag reset Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 10:33   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  7:49     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:16       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] sched: remove a wake_affine condition Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 12:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:19     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  6:49           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:09             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:25               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] sched: fix avg_load computation Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 14:04   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:50     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:42       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04 11:15         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-05  8:59           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-16  9:01             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 13:22   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 14:02     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:17       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-06  7:01         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] ARM: topology: use new cpu_power interface Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 13:22   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  8:25     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:19       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] sched: add per rq cpu_power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED" Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 17:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28  7:01     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 12:10   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 13:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:47       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 16:39         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:03           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:41               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:20           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  7:47           ` Vincent Guittot [this message]
2014-06-04  8:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  8:55               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  9:35                   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:25                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:44                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:32               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:00                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:36                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:55                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 11:07                     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:23                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:52                         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 13:09                           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:16       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 23:11       ` Yuyang Du
2014-05-30  9:50   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-01 11:33       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-02 14:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] sched: test the cpu's capacity in wake affine Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 11:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24  0:34       ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24 13:23         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29  9:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:37     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:05         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 11:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 12:31             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:44     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 13:26   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:24     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:45       ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 20:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] sched: replace capacity by activity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 13:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:51     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02  6:21     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-03  9:50       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:56     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 19:13         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:44 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:04   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27  5:47       ` Preeti U Murthy

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