From: "Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: "Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Frederic Weisbecker" <frederic@kernel.org>,
"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Phil Auld" <pauld@redhat.com>,
"Chris von Recklinghausen" <crecklin@redhat.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: sched/isolation: tick_take_do_timer_from_boot() calls smp_call_function_single() with irqs disabled
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 21:01:51 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D1KDJILBPEKS.27MVR6A44NMX8@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240526192758.GA21193@redhat.com>
On Mon May 27, 2024 at 5:27 AM AEST, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> The more I grep the more I confused.
>
> On 05/25, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >
> > Right. It does not happen because the kernel starts with jiffies as
> > clocksource except on S390. The jiffies clocksource is not qualified to
> > switch over to NOHZ mode for obvious reasons.
>
> Not obvious for those who never looked at this code ;)
>
> OK, clocksource_jiffies doesn't have CLOCK_SOURCE_VALID_FOR_HRES,
jiffies clocksource requires a timer to run it I suppose.
[snip]
> > So up to this point the tick is never stopped neither on housekeeping
> > nor on NOHZ FULL CPUs:
> >
> > tick_nohz_full_update_tick()
> > if (!tick_sched_flag_test(ts, TS_FLAG_NOHZ))
> > return;
>
> OK... But tick_nohz_idle_update_tick() doesn't check TS_FLAG_NOHZ and
> the tick_nohz_full_cpu() check can't help at boot time.
>
> And I still don't understand why we can rely on can_stop_idle_tick() even
> in tick_nohz_idle_stop_tick().
AFAIKS timer_expires_base would be 0 unless tick_nohz_next_event()
were called, but that is only called from places that checked
can_stop_idle_tick() or is already a tick_nohz_full() CPU.
And timer tick CPU can't be unplugged with nohz full.
Thanks,
Nick
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-27 11:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-22 15:17 sched/isolation: tick_take_do_timer_from_boot() calls smp_call_function_single() with irqs disabled Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-23 13:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-24 9:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-24 14:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-24 15:22 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-24 15:20 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-24 17:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-24 18:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-24 22:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-25 13:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-25 14:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-26 19:27 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-26 20:52 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-27 15:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-27 11:01 ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2024-05-27 15:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-28 1:02 ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-28 12:19 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-27 16:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-26 20:57 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-27 9:10 ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-27 10:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-27 11:16 ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-28 12:20 ` [PATCH] tick/nohz_full: don't abuse smp_call_function_single() in tick_setup_device() Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-28 12:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-30 12:40 ` [PATCH] tick/nohz_full: turn tick_do_timer_boot_cpu into boot_cpu_is_nohz_full Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-03 15:35 ` [PATCH v2] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-03 21:44 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-04 5:08 ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-30 14:52 ` [PATCH] tick/nohz_full: don't abuse smp_call_function_single() in tick_setup_device() Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-30 16:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-30 17:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-01 14:03 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-02 21:29 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-03 15:41 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-03 21:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-10 15:55 ` [PING ;)] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 18:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-06-10 18:26 ` [tip: timers/urgent] tick/nohz_full: Don't " tip-bot2 for Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 19:42 ` Frederic Weisbecker
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