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From: "Jarkko Sakkinen" <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: "James Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	"Roberto Sassu" <roberto.sassu@huaweicloud.com>,
	"Linux regressions mailing list" <regressions@lists.linux.dev>
Cc: <keyrings@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>,
	"LKML" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Pengyu Ma" <mapengyu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [regression] significant delays when secureboot is enabled since 6.10
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 16:28:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D42N17MFTEDM.3E6IK034S26UT@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <663d272617d1aead08077ad2b72929cbc226372a.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 3:57 PM EEST, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-09-10 at 15:48 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 3:39 PM EEST, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > On Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 12:05 PM EEST, Roberto Sassu wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2024-09-10 at 11:01 +0200, Linux regression tracking
> > > > (Thorsten
> > > > Leemhuis) wrote:
> > > > > Hi, Thorsten here, the Linux kernel's regression tracker.
> > > > > 
> > > > > James, Jarkoo, I noticed a report about a regression in
> > > > > bugzilla.kernel.org that appears to be caused by this change of
> > > > > yours:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6519fea6fd372b ("tpm: add hmac checks to tpm2_pcr_extend()")
> > > > > [v6.10-rc1]
> > > > > 
> > > > > As many (most?) kernel developers don't keep an eye on the bug
> > > > > tracker,
> > > > > I decided to forward it by mail. To quote from
> > > > > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219229 :
> > > > > 
> > > > > > When secureboot is enabled,
> > > > > > the kernel boot time is ~20 seconds after 6.10 kernel.
> > > > > > it's ~7 seconds on 6.8 kernel version.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When secureboot is disabled,
> > > > > > the boot time is ~7 seconds too.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Reproduced on both AMD and Intel platform on ThinkPad X1 and
> > > > > > T14.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It probably caused autologin failure and micmute led not
> > > > > > loaded on AMD platform.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It was later bisected to the change mentioned above. See the
> > > > > ticket for
> > > > > more details.
> > > > 
> > > > Hi
> > > > 
> > > > I suspect I encountered the same problem:
> > > > 
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-integrity/b8a7b3566e6014ba102ab98e10ede0d574d8930e.camel@huaweicloud.com/
> > > > 
> > > > Going to provide more info there.
> > > 
> > > I suppose you are going try to acquire the tracing data I asked?
> > > That would be awesome, thanks for taking the troube.  Let's look
> > > at the data and draw conclusions based on that.
> > > 
> > > Workaround is pretty simple: CONFIG_TCG_TPM2_HMAC=n to the kernel
> > > configuration disables the feature.
> > > 
> > > For making decisions what to do with the  we are talking about ~2
> > > week window estimated, given the Vienna conference slows things
> > > down, so I hope my workaround is good enough before that.
> > 
> > I can enumerate three most likely ways to address the issue:
> > 
> > 1. Strongest: drop from defconfig.
> > 2. Medium: leave to defconfig but add an opt-in kernel command-line
> >    parameter.
> > 3. Lightest: if we can based on tracing data nail the regression in
> >    sustainable schedule, fix it.
>
> Actually, there's a fourth: not use sessions for the PCR extend (if
> we'd got the timings when I asked, this was going to be my suggestion
> if they came back problematic).  This seems only to be a problem for
> IMA measured boot (because it does lots of extends).  If necessary this
> could even be wrapped in a separate config or boot option that only
> disables HMAC on extend if IMA (so we still get security for things
> like sd-boot)

I can buy that but with a twist that make it an opt-in kernel command
line option. We don't want to take already existing functionality away
from those who might want to use it (given e.g. hardening requirements),
and with that basis opt-in (by default disabled) would be more balanced
way to address the issue.

Please do a send a patch!

BR, Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-10 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-10  9:01 [regression] significant delays when secureboot is enabled since 6.10 Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2024-09-10  9:05 ` Roberto Sassu
2024-09-10 12:39   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-10 12:48     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-10 12:57       ` James Bottomley
2024-09-10 13:28         ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2024-09-11  8:53           ` Roberto Sassu
2024-09-11 12:21             ` James Bottomley
2024-09-12 13:16               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-12 13:26                 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-12 13:36                   ` Roberto Sassu
2024-09-12 14:13                     ` James Bottomley
2024-09-12 14:52                       ` Roberto Sassu
2024-09-12 14:26                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-14 10:42               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-14 10:51                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-14 10:58                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-11 15:14             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-12  8:13               ` Roberto Sassu
2024-09-12 14:23                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-13 20:50                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-13 22:06                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-15  9:43                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-15 10:07                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-15 13:59                     ` James Bottomley
2024-09-15 14:50                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-15 14:55                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-15 15:00                         ` James Bottomley
2024-09-15 16:22                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-21 15:40                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-22 14:11                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-10 12:22 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-10 12:41   ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2024-09-10 22:40     ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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