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From: Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>,
	a.hindborg@kernel.org, alex.gaynor@gmail.com, ojeda@kernel.org,
	aliceryhl@google.com, anna-maria@linutronix.de,
	bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	frederic@kernel.org, gary@garyguo.net, jstultz@google.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lossin@kernel.org,
	lyude@redhat.com, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	sboyd@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, tmgross@umich.edu,
	acourbot@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] rust: Add read_poll_timeout_atomic function
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 09:14:04 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D8CE958C-508F-4A09-96BA-985B5A7C2BA7@collabora.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DCD51BP7YXJV.3BLY6YJKGC58W@kernel.org>

Hi Danilo,

[…}

> 
> Actually, let me put it in other words:
> 
> let val = read_poll_timeout_atomic(
>     || {
>         // Fetch the offset to read from from the HW.
>         let offset = io.read32(0x1000);
> 
>         // HW needs a break for some odd reason.
>         udelay(100);
> 
>         // Read the actual value.
>         io.try_read32(offset)
>     },
>     |val: &u32| *val == HW_READY,
>     Delta::from_micros(0),      // No delay, keep spinning.
>     Delta::from_millis(10),     // Timeout after 10ms.
> )?;
> 
> Seems like a fairly reasonable usage without knowing the implementation details
> of read_poll_timeout_atomic(), right?
> 
> Except that if the hardware does not become ready, this will spin for 16.67
> *minutes* -- in atomic context. Instead of the 10ms the user would expect.
> 
> This would be way less error prone if we do not provide a timeout value, but a
> retry count.
> 
>> Instead, I think it makes much more sense to provide a retry count as function
>> argument, such that the user can specify "I want a dealy of 100us, try it 100
>> times".
>> 
>> This way it is transparent to the caller that the timeout may be significantly
>> more than 10ms depending on the user's implementation.
>> 
>> As for doing this in C vs Rust: I don't think things have to align in every
>> implementation detail. If we can improve things on the Rust side from the
>> get-go, we should not stop ourselves from doing so, just because a similar C
>> implementation is hard to refactor, due to having a lot of users already.

I must say I do not follow. Can you expand yet some more on this?

— Daniel



  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-27 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-21  3:57 [PATCH v1 0/2] Add read_poll_timeout_atomic support FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-21  3:57 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] rust: add udelay() function FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-26  9:09   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-26 11:59     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-26 18:03       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-27  7:12         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-26 12:44   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-27  2:43     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-21  3:57 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] rust: Add read_poll_timeout_atomic function FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-26 14:02   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-27  0:35     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-27  4:32       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-26 14:12   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-26 16:59     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-26 17:15       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-27  0:14     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-27  9:00       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-27 10:29         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-27 12:14           ` Daniel Almeida [this message]
2025-08-27 12:19             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-27 12:22               ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-27 12:36                 ` Danilo Krummrich

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