From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Oliver Mangold" <oliver.mangold@pm.me>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Asahi Lina" <lina+kernel@asahilina.net>
Cc: <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 2/4] rust: Split `AlwaysRefCounted` into two traits
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2025 13:23:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB1J4UQLG76V.69HKATSZZVNO@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250618-unique-ref-v11-2-49eadcdc0aa6@pm.me>
On Wed Jun 18, 2025 at 2:27 PM CEST, Oliver Mangold wrote:
> diff --git a/rust/kernel/types.rs b/rust/kernel/types.rs
> index c12ff4d2a3f2d79b760c34c0b84a51b507d0cfb1..40c0138bd336057e7d3a835a9e81391baa2fd2b1 100644
> --- a/rust/kernel/types.rs
> +++ b/rust/kernel/types.rs
> @@ -418,11 +418,9 @@ pub const fn raw_get(this: *const Self) -> *mut T {
> }
> }
>
> -/// Types that are _always_ reference counted.
> +/// Types that are internally reference counted.
> ///
> /// It allows such types to define their own custom ref increment and decrement functions.
> -/// Additionally, it allows users to convert from a shared reference `&T` to an owned reference
> -/// [`ARef<T>`].
> ///
> /// This is usually implemented by wrappers to existing structures on the C side of the code. For
> /// Rust code, the recommendation is to use [`Arc`](crate::sync::Arc) to create reference-counted
> @@ -438,9 +436,8 @@ pub const fn raw_get(this: *const Self) -> *mut T {
> /// at least until matching decrements are performed.
> ///
> /// Implementers must also ensure that all instances are reference-counted. (Otherwise they
> -/// won't be able to honour the requirement that [`AlwaysRefCounted::inc_ref`] keep the object
> -/// alive.)
> -pub unsafe trait AlwaysRefCounted {
> +/// won't be able to honour the requirement that [`RefCounted::inc_ref`] keep the object alive.)
> +pub unsafe trait RefCounted {
> /// Increments the reference count on the object.
> fn inc_ref(&self);
This seems a bit problematic for `Owned`, since now I can do:
fn bad<T: Ownable + RefCounted>(t: &Owned<T>) {
t.inc_ref();
}
And now the `Owned<T>` is no longer "unique" in the sense that the
refcount is 1...
Similarly, we should probably make this an associated function, such
that people don't accidentally call `.inc_ref()` on `ARef<T>`.
> @@ -453,11 +450,21 @@ pub unsafe trait AlwaysRefCounted {
> /// Callers must ensure that there was a previous matching increment to the reference count,
> /// and that the object is no longer used after its reference count is decremented (as it may
> /// result in the object being freed), unless the caller owns another increment on the refcount
> - /// (e.g., it calls [`AlwaysRefCounted::inc_ref`] twice, then calls
> - /// [`AlwaysRefCounted::dec_ref`] once).
> + /// (e.g., it calls [`RefCounted::inc_ref`] twice, then calls [`RefCounted::dec_ref`] once).
> unsafe fn dec_ref(obj: NonNull<Self>);
> }
>
> +/// An extension to RefCounted, which declares that it is allowed to convert from a shared reference
> +/// `&T` to an owned reference [`ARef<T>`].
This is a bit too long for the first sentence... How about
Always reference counted type.
Allows the creation of `ARef<T>` from `&T`.
Feel free to add more information.
> +///
> +/// # Safety
> +///
> +/// Implementers must ensure that no safety invariants are violated by upgrading an `&T` to an
> +/// [`ARef<T>`]. In particular that implies [`AlwaysRefCounted`] and [`Ownable`] cannot be
> +/// implemented for the same type, as this would allow to violate the uniqueness guarantee of
> +/// [`Owned<T>`] by derefencing it into an `&T` and obtaining an [`ARef`] from that.
> +pub unsafe trait AlwaysRefCounted: RefCounted {}
It's a bit sad that we can't just say `: !Ownable` (or rather a
blanket-implemented marker trait, since that might land earlier). Anyone
aware of progress in this area?
---
Cheers,
Benno
> +
> /// An owned reference to an always-reference-counted object.
> ///
> /// The object's reference count is automatically decremented when an instance of [`ARef`] is
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2025-06-18 12:27 ` [PATCH v11 0/4] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 12:27 ` [PATCH v11 1/4] rust: types: Add Ownable/Owned types Oliver Mangold
2025-07-02 11:03 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 6:58 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07 9:23 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 9:56 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-08 10:16 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-08 13:06 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 18:30 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 19:18 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-09 8:53 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-09 9:11 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 13:22 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 14:53 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 15:00 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 12:26 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-18 12:46 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-18 13:04 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-18 22:27 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19 6:04 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-19 8:26 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19 8:45 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-19 9:00 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19 17:15 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-20 10:48 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19 8:53 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19 17:13 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19 18:28 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-20 6:02 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-20 7:41 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-20 7:43 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-20 10:51 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-18 12:27 ` [PATCH v11 2/4] rust: Split `AlwaysRefCounted` into two traits Oliver Mangold
2025-06-19 3:15 ` kernel test robot
2025-07-02 11:23 ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-07-07 7:42 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07 9:27 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-18 12:27 ` [PATCH v11 3/4] rust: Add missing SAFETY documentation for `ARef` example Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 12:27 ` [PATCH v11 4/4] rust: Add `OwnableRefCounted` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-02 13:24 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 8:07 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07 9:33 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 11:12 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-07 11:47 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 13:21 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-07 15:39 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 13:15 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 14:50 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 15:35 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 9:36 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-08 13:42 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 17:23 ` [PATCH v11 0/4] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-06 5:56 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-15 10:12 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-18 5:59 ` Oliver Mangold
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