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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Oliver Mangold" <oliver.mangold@pm.me>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Asahi Lina" <lina+kernel@asahilina.net>
Cc: <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 2/4] rust: Split `AlwaysRefCounted` into two traits
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2025 13:23:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB1J4UQLG76V.69HKATSZZVNO@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250618-unique-ref-v11-2-49eadcdc0aa6@pm.me>

On Wed Jun 18, 2025 at 2:27 PM CEST, Oliver Mangold wrote:
> diff --git a/rust/kernel/types.rs b/rust/kernel/types.rs
> index c12ff4d2a3f2d79b760c34c0b84a51b507d0cfb1..40c0138bd336057e7d3a835a9e81391baa2fd2b1 100644
> --- a/rust/kernel/types.rs
> +++ b/rust/kernel/types.rs
> @@ -418,11 +418,9 @@ pub const fn raw_get(this: *const Self) -> *mut T {
>      }
>  }
>  
> -/// Types that are _always_ reference counted.
> +/// Types that are internally reference counted.
>  ///
>  /// It allows such types to define their own custom ref increment and decrement functions.
> -/// Additionally, it allows users to convert from a shared reference `&T` to an owned reference
> -/// [`ARef<T>`].
>  ///
>  /// This is usually implemented by wrappers to existing structures on the C side of the code. For
>  /// Rust code, the recommendation is to use [`Arc`](crate::sync::Arc) to create reference-counted
> @@ -438,9 +436,8 @@ pub const fn raw_get(this: *const Self) -> *mut T {
>  /// at least until matching decrements are performed.
>  ///
>  /// Implementers must also ensure that all instances are reference-counted. (Otherwise they
> -/// won't be able to honour the requirement that [`AlwaysRefCounted::inc_ref`] keep the object
> -/// alive.)
> -pub unsafe trait AlwaysRefCounted {
> +/// won't be able to honour the requirement that [`RefCounted::inc_ref`] keep the object alive.)
> +pub unsafe trait RefCounted {
>      /// Increments the reference count on the object.
>      fn inc_ref(&self);

This seems a bit problematic for `Owned`, since now I can do:

    fn bad<T: Ownable + RefCounted>(t: &Owned<T>) {
        t.inc_ref();
    }

And now the `Owned<T>` is no longer "unique" in the sense that the
refcount is 1...

Similarly, we should probably make this an associated function, such
that people don't accidentally call `.inc_ref()` on `ARef<T>`.

> @@ -453,11 +450,21 @@ pub unsafe trait AlwaysRefCounted {
>      /// Callers must ensure that there was a previous matching increment to the reference count,
>      /// and that the object is no longer used after its reference count is decremented (as it may
>      /// result in the object being freed), unless the caller owns another increment on the refcount
> -    /// (e.g., it calls [`AlwaysRefCounted::inc_ref`] twice, then calls
> -    /// [`AlwaysRefCounted::dec_ref`] once).
> +    /// (e.g., it calls [`RefCounted::inc_ref`] twice, then calls [`RefCounted::dec_ref`] once).
>      unsafe fn dec_ref(obj: NonNull<Self>);
>  }
>  
> +/// An extension to RefCounted, which declares that it is allowed to convert from a shared reference
> +/// `&T` to an owned reference [`ARef<T>`].

This is a bit too long for the first sentence... How about

    Always reference counted type.

    Allows the creation of `ARef<T>` from `&T`.

Feel free to add more information.

> +///
> +/// # Safety
> +///
> +/// Implementers must ensure that no safety invariants are violated by upgrading an `&T` to an
> +/// [`ARef<T>`]. In particular that implies [`AlwaysRefCounted`] and [`Ownable`] cannot be
> +/// implemented for the same type, as this would allow to violate the uniqueness guarantee of
> +/// [`Owned<T>`] by derefencing it into an `&T` and obtaining an [`ARef`] from that.
> +pub unsafe trait AlwaysRefCounted: RefCounted {}

It's a bit sad that we can't just say `: !Ownable` (or rather a
blanket-implemented marker trait, since that might land earlier). Anyone
aware of progress in this area?

---
Cheers,
Benno

> +
>  /// An owned reference to an always-reference-counted object.
>  ///
>  /// The object's reference count is automatically decremented when an instance of [`ARef`] is

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-02 11:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2025-06-18 12:27 ` [PATCH v11 0/4] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 1/4] rust: types: Add Ownable/Owned types Oliver Mangold
2025-07-02 11:03     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07  6:58       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07  9:23         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08  9:56           ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-08 10:16             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-08 13:06               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 18:30                 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 19:18                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-09  8:53                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-09  9:11                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 13:22               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 14:53                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 15:00             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 12:26         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-18 12:46     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-18 13:04       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-18 22:27         ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19  6:04           ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-19  8:26             ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19  8:45               ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-19  9:00                 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19 17:15                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-20 10:48                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19  8:53               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19 17:13                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19 18:28                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-20  6:02                   ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-20  7:41                     ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-20  7:43                       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-20 10:51                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 2/4] rust: Split `AlwaysRefCounted` into two traits Oliver Mangold
2025-06-19  3:15     ` kernel test robot
2025-07-02 11:23     ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-07-07  7:42       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07  9:27         ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 3/4] rust: Add missing SAFETY documentation for `ARef` example Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 4/4] rust: Add `OwnableRefCounted` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-02 13:24     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07  8:07       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07  9:33         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 11:12           ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-07 11:47             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 13:21               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-07 15:39                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 13:15                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 14:50                     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 15:35                       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08  9:36           ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-08 13:42             ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 17:23   ` [PATCH v11 0/4] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-06  5:56     ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-15 10:12   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-18  5:59     ` Oliver Mangold

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