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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	lkmm@lists.linux.dev, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 17:46:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB8HQLY48DFX.3PBBUTQLV14PC@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aG_Yah5FFHcA3IZy@Mac.home>

On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 5:12 PM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 01:04:38PM +0200, Benno Lossin wrote:
>> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 8:00 AM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
>> > +declare_and_impl_atomic_methods!(
>> > +    AtomicHasBasicOps ("Basic atomic operations") {
>> > +        read[acquire](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self {
>> > +            call(ptr.cast())
>> > +        }
>> > +
>> > +        set[release](ptr: *mut Self, v: Self) {
>> > +            call(ptr.cast(), v)
>> > +        }
>> > +    }
>> 
>> I think this would look a bit better:
>> 
>>     /// Basic atomic operations.
>>     pub trait AtomicHasBasicOps {
>>         unsafe fn read[acquire](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self {
>>             bindings::#call(ptr.cast())
>>         }
>> 
>>         unsafe fn set[release](ptr: *mut Self, v: Self) {
>>             bindings::#call(ptr.cast(), v)
>>         }
>>     }
>> 
>
> Make sense, I've made `pub trait`, `bindings::#` and `unsafe fn`
> hard-coded:
>
> macro_rules! declare_and_impl_atomic_methods {
>     (#[doc = $doc:expr] pub trait $ops:ident {

You should allow any kind of attribute (and multiple), that makes it
much simpler.

>         $(
>             unsafe fn $func:ident [$($variant:ident),*]($($arg_sig:tt)*) $( -> $ret:ty)? {
>                 bindings::#call($($arg:tt)*)
>             }
>         )*
>     }) => {
>
> It shouldn't be very hard to make use of the actual visibility or
> unsafe, but we currently don't have other visibility or safe function,
> so it's simple to keep it as it is.

Yeah I also meant hardcoding them.

>> And then we could also put the safety comments inline:
>> 
>>     /// Basic atomic operations.
>>     pub trait AtomicHasBasicOps {
>>         /// Atomic read
>>         ///
>>         /// # Safety
>>         /// - Any pointer passed to the function has to be a valid pointer
>>         /// - Accesses must not cause data races per LKMM:
>>         ///   - Atomic read racing with normal read, normal write or atomic write is not a data race.
>>         ///   - Atomic write racing with normal read or normal write is a data race, unless the
>>         ///     normal access is done from the C side and considered immune to data races, e.g.
>>         ///     `CONFIG_KCSAN_ASSUME_PLAIN_WRITES_ATOMIC`.
>>         unsafe fn read[acquire](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self {
>>             // SAFETY: Per function safety requirement, all pointers are valid, and accesses won't
>>             // cause data race per LKMM.
>>             unsafe { bindings::#call(ptr.cast()) }
>>         }
>> 
>>         /// Atomic read
>
> Copy-pasta ;-)
>
>>         ///
>>         /// # Safety
>>         /// - Any pointer passed to the function has to be a valid pointer
>>         /// - Accesses must not cause data races per LKMM:
>>         ///   - Atomic read racing with normal read, normal write or atomic write is not a data race.
>>         ///   - Atomic write racing with normal read or normal write is a data race, unless the
>>         ///     normal access is done from the C side and considered immune to data races, e.g.
>>         ///     `CONFIG_KCSAN_ASSUME_PLAIN_WRITES_ATOMIC`.
>>         unsafe fn set[release](ptr: *mut Self, v: Self) {
>>             // SAFETY: Per function safety requirement, all pointers are valid, and accesses won't
>>             // cause data race per LKMM.
>>             unsafe { bindings::#call(ptr.cast(), v) }
>>         }
>>     }
>> 
>> I'm not sure if this is worth it, but for reading the definitions of
>> these operations directly in the code this is going to be a lot more
>> readable. I don't think it's too bad to duplicate it.
>> 
>> I'm also not fully satisfied with the safety comment on
>> `bindings::#call`...
>> 
>
> Based on the above, I'm not going to do the change (i.e. duplicating
> the safe comments and improve them), and I would make an issue tracking
> it, and we can revisit it when we have time. Sounds good?

Sure, I feel like some kind of method duplication macro might be much
better here, like:

    multi_functions! {
        pub trait AtomicHasBasicOps {
            /// Atomic read
            ///
            /// # Safety
            /// - Any pointer passed to the function has to be a valid pointer
            /// - Accesses must not cause data races per LKMM:
            ///   - Atomic read racing with normal read, normal write or atomic write is not a data race.
            ///   - Atomic write racing with normal read or normal write is a data race, unless the
            ///     normal access is done from the C side and considered immune to data races, e.g.
            ///     `CONFIG_KCSAN_ASSUME_PLAIN_WRITES_ATOMIC`.
            unsafe fn [<read, read_acquire>](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self;

            // ...
        }
    }

And then also allow it on impls. I don't really like the idea of
duplicating and thus hiding the safety docs... But I also see that just
copy pasting them everywhere isn't really a good solution either...

---
Cheers,
Benno

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-10 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-10  6:00 [PATCH v6 0/9] LKMM generic atomics in Rust Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:04   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:12     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:46       ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-07-10 16:16         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:21           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 20:29             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:15               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add ordering annotation types Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:08   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 12:00     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-10 14:42       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:05         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:57           ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:19             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 18:32           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 19:06             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add generic atomics Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:03   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:22     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:34       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:51         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:34           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:25             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:58     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-14  7:08         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-13 19:51     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add atomic {cmp,}xchg operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:42   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:53   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 14:39     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 17:41       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 19:07         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 18:55       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:51         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:03           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:22             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14  4:20               ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<u{32,64}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:54   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] rust: sync: Add memory barriers Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:57   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:32     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:57       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:26         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:04           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:34             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:20     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 15:42       ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:21         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-15 15:35           ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:56             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-16 19:42               ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<{usize,isize}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  9:00   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:45     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 14:07       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 14:40         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 15:46           ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 19:05       ` Benno Lossin

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