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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>,
	<ojeda@kernel.org>, <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	<boqun.feng@gmail.com>, <gary@garyguo.net>,
	<a.hindborg@kernel.org>, <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	<tmgross@umich.edu>, <dakr@kernel.org>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
	<mingo@redhat.com>, <will@kernel.org>, <longman@redhat.com>,
	<felipe_life@live.com>, <daniel@sedlak.dev>,
	<bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>, "Lyude" <thatslyude@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:55:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DBPC27REX4N1.3JA4SSHDYXAHJ@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250730132457.20a13d71@nimda.home>

On Wed Jul 30, 2025 at 12:24 PM CEST, Onur Özkan wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 19:15:12 +0200
> "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> wrote:
>
>> > - The second note is about how EDEADLK is handled. On the C side, it
>> > looks like some code paths may not release all the previously locked
>> > mutexes or have a special/custom logic when locking returns EDEADLK
>> > (see [3]). So, handling EDEADLK automatically (pointed
>> > in [1]) can be quite useful for most cases, but that could also be a
>> > limitation in certain scenarios.
>> >
>> >  I was thinking we could provide an alternative version of each
>> > `lock*` function that accepts a closure which is called on the
>> > EDEADLK error. This way, we can support both auto-release locks and
>> > custom logic for handling EDEADLK scenarios.
>> >
>> >  Something like this (just a dummy code for demonstration):
>> >
>> >     ctx.lock_and_handle_edeadlk(|active_locks| {
>> >         // user-defined handling here
>> >     });
>> 
>> But this function wouldn't be locking any additional locks, right?
>> 
>> I think the closure makes sense to give as a way to allow custom code.
>> But we definitely should try to get the common use-cases closure-free
>> (except of course they run completely custom code to their specific
>> use-case).
>> 
>> We can also try to invent a custom return type that is used instead of
>> `Result`. So for example:
>> 
>>     let a: WwMutex<'_, A>;
>>     let b: WwMutex<'_, B>;
>>     let ctx: WwAcquireCtx<'_>;
>> 
>>     ctx.enter()             // EnteredContext<'_, ()>
>>         .lock(a)            // LockAttempt<'_, A, ()>
>>         .or_err(a)?         // EnteredContext<'_, (A,)>
>>         .lock(b)            // LockAttempt<'_, B, (A,)>
>>         .or_lock_slow(a, b) // Result<EnteredContext<'_, (A, B,)>>
>>         ?.finish()          // (WwMutexGuard<'_, A>, WwMutexGuard<'_,
>> B>)
>> 
>> But no idea if this is actually useful...
>
> That wouldn't work if the user wants to lock `a` and `b` in separate
> calls, right? If user wants to lock `a` right away and lock `b` later
> under certain conditions (still in the same context as `a`), then to
> automatically release `a`, we have to keep the locked mutexes in some
> dynamic list inside `EnteredContext` so we can access all the locked
> mutexes when we want to unlock them on EDEADLK.

Not sure I understand, you can write:

    let a: WwMutex<'_, A>;
    let b: WwMutex<'_, B>;
    let ctx: WwAcquireCtx<'_>;

    let lock_ctx = ctx.enter()
        .lock(a)
        .or_err(a)?;
    if !cond() {
        return ...;
    }
    lock_ctx.lock(b)
        .or_lock_slow(a, b)?
        .finish()

>> What I think would be a good way forward would be to convert some
>> existing C uses of `WwMutex` to the intended Rust API and see how it
>> looks. Best to cover several different kinds of uses.
>
> Good idea. I will try find sometime to do that during next week.

Thanks!

---
Cheers,
Benno

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-30 10:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-21 18:44 [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support Onur Özkan
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] rust: add C wrappers for `ww_mutex` inline functions Onur Özkan
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] implement ww_mutex abstraction for the Rust tree Onur Özkan
2025-06-22  9:18   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 13:04     ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 13:44       ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 14:47         ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 15:14           ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 17:11             ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 23:22               ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-24  5:34                 ` Onur
2025-06-24  8:20                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-24 12:31                     ` Onur
2025-06-24 12:48                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 13:39             ` Onur
2025-07-07 15:31               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 18:06                 ` Onur
2025-07-07 19:48                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 14:21                     ` Onur
2025-08-01 21:22                     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-02 10:42                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-02 13:41                         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-02 14:15                         ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-02 20:58                           ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 15:18                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-05  9:08                           ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-05 12:41                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-05 13:50                               ` Onur Özkan
2025-06-23 11:51   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-23 13:26   ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 18:17     ` Onur
2025-06-23 21:54       ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] add KUnit coverage on Rust `ww_mutex` implementation Onur Özkan
2025-06-22  9:16 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support Benno Lossin
2025-07-24 13:53 ` Onur Özkan
2025-07-29 17:15   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-30 10:24     ` Onur Özkan
2025-07-30 10:55       ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-08-05 16:22   ` Lyude Paul
2025-08-05 17:56     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-06  5:57     ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-06 17:37       ` Lyude Paul
2025-08-06 19:30         ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-14 11:13           ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-14 12:38             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-14 15:56               ` Onur
2025-08-14 18:22                 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-18 12:56                   ` Onur Özkan
2025-09-01 10:05                     ` Onur Özkan
2025-09-01 12:28                       ` Daniel Almeida
2025-09-02 16:53                   ` Onur
2025-09-03  6:24                     ` Onur
2025-09-03 13:04                       ` Daniel Almeida

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