From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>,
<ojeda@kernel.org>, <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
<boqun.feng@gmail.com>, <gary@garyguo.net>,
<a.hindborg@kernel.org>, <aliceryhl@google.com>,
<tmgross@umich.edu>, <dakr@kernel.org>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
<mingo@redhat.com>, <will@kernel.org>, <longman@redhat.com>,
<felipe_life@live.com>, <daniel@sedlak.dev>,
<bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>, "Lyude" <thatslyude@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:55:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DBPC27REX4N1.3JA4SSHDYXAHJ@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250730132457.20a13d71@nimda.home>
On Wed Jul 30, 2025 at 12:24 PM CEST, Onur Özkan wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 19:15:12 +0200
> "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> wrote:
>
>> > - The second note is about how EDEADLK is handled. On the C side, it
>> > looks like some code paths may not release all the previously locked
>> > mutexes or have a special/custom logic when locking returns EDEADLK
>> > (see [3]). So, handling EDEADLK automatically (pointed
>> > in [1]) can be quite useful for most cases, but that could also be a
>> > limitation in certain scenarios.
>> >
>> > I was thinking we could provide an alternative version of each
>> > `lock*` function that accepts a closure which is called on the
>> > EDEADLK error. This way, we can support both auto-release locks and
>> > custom logic for handling EDEADLK scenarios.
>> >
>> > Something like this (just a dummy code for demonstration):
>> >
>> > ctx.lock_and_handle_edeadlk(|active_locks| {
>> > // user-defined handling here
>> > });
>>
>> But this function wouldn't be locking any additional locks, right?
>>
>> I think the closure makes sense to give as a way to allow custom code.
>> But we definitely should try to get the common use-cases closure-free
>> (except of course they run completely custom code to their specific
>> use-case).
>>
>> We can also try to invent a custom return type that is used instead of
>> `Result`. So for example:
>>
>> let a: WwMutex<'_, A>;
>> let b: WwMutex<'_, B>;
>> let ctx: WwAcquireCtx<'_>;
>>
>> ctx.enter() // EnteredContext<'_, ()>
>> .lock(a) // LockAttempt<'_, A, ()>
>> .or_err(a)? // EnteredContext<'_, (A,)>
>> .lock(b) // LockAttempt<'_, B, (A,)>
>> .or_lock_slow(a, b) // Result<EnteredContext<'_, (A, B,)>>
>> ?.finish() // (WwMutexGuard<'_, A>, WwMutexGuard<'_,
>> B>)
>>
>> But no idea if this is actually useful...
>
> That wouldn't work if the user wants to lock `a` and `b` in separate
> calls, right? If user wants to lock `a` right away and lock `b` later
> under certain conditions (still in the same context as `a`), then to
> automatically release `a`, we have to keep the locked mutexes in some
> dynamic list inside `EnteredContext` so we can access all the locked
> mutexes when we want to unlock them on EDEADLK.
Not sure I understand, you can write:
let a: WwMutex<'_, A>;
let b: WwMutex<'_, B>;
let ctx: WwAcquireCtx<'_>;
let lock_ctx = ctx.enter()
.lock(a)
.or_err(a)?;
if !cond() {
return ...;
}
lock_ctx.lock(b)
.or_lock_slow(a, b)?
.finish()
>> What I think would be a good way forward would be to convert some
>> existing C uses of `WwMutex` to the intended Rust API and see how it
>> looks. Best to cover several different kinds of uses.
>
> Good idea. I will try find sometime to do that during next week.
Thanks!
---
Cheers,
Benno
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-30 10:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-21 18:44 [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support Onur Özkan
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] rust: add C wrappers for `ww_mutex` inline functions Onur Özkan
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] implement ww_mutex abstraction for the Rust tree Onur Özkan
2025-06-22 9:18 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 13:04 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 13:44 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 14:47 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 15:14 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 17:11 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 23:22 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-24 5:34 ` Onur
2025-06-24 8:20 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-24 12:31 ` Onur
2025-06-24 12:48 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 13:39 ` Onur
2025-07-07 15:31 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 18:06 ` Onur
2025-07-07 19:48 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 14:21 ` Onur
2025-08-01 21:22 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-02 10:42 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-02 13:41 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-02 14:15 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-02 20:58 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 15:18 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-05 9:08 ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-05 12:41 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-05 13:50 ` Onur Özkan
2025-06-23 11:51 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-23 13:26 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 18:17 ` Onur
2025-06-23 21:54 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] add KUnit coverage on Rust `ww_mutex` implementation Onur Özkan
2025-06-22 9:16 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support Benno Lossin
2025-07-24 13:53 ` Onur Özkan
2025-07-29 17:15 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-30 10:24 ` Onur Özkan
2025-07-30 10:55 ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-08-05 16:22 ` Lyude Paul
2025-08-05 17:56 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-06 5:57 ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-06 17:37 ` Lyude Paul
2025-08-06 19:30 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-14 11:13 ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-14 12:38 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-14 15:56 ` Onur
2025-08-14 18:22 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-18 12:56 ` Onur Özkan
2025-09-01 10:05 ` Onur Özkan
2025-09-01 12:28 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-09-02 16:53 ` Onur
2025-09-03 6:24 ` Onur
2025-09-03 13:04 ` Daniel Almeida
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