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From: Kuba Piecuch <jpiecuch@google.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
	 Andrea Righi <andrea.righi@linux.dev>,
	Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <sched-ext@lists.linux.dev>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Wen-Fang Liu <liuwenfang@honor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] sched_ext: Allow scx_bpf_reenqueue_local() to be called from anywhere
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 14:24:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DEVGF29ONM1A.CCTFEV5OZI9D@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7e9b27d70e31c243da3ce77e622b0af5@kernel.org>

Hi Tejun,

I think with the proposed implementation, using scx_bpf_reenqueue_local()
from arbitrary contexts can have highly non-intuitive effects.

For example, consider ops.enqueue() for a hypothetical userspace scheduler:

void BPF_STRUCT_OPS(example_enqueue, struct task_struct *p, u64 enq_flags)
{
	if (p->pid == user_scheduler_pid()) {
		/*
		 * Remove existing tasks from the local DSQ so that
		 * the userspace scheduler can schedule different tasks
		 * before them.
		 */
		scx_bpf_reenqueue_local();
		/*
		 * Dispatch the user scheduler directly to the local DSQ.
		 */
		scx_bpf_dsq_insert(p, SCX_DSQ_LOCAL, SCX_SLICE_DFL, 0);
	}
	...
}

I'm not arguing this is the way it should be written, but AFAIK it's perfectly
legal.

Since we're doing a direct dispatch, the user scheduler task will be
inserted into the dispatch queue in enable_task_scx(), without dropping the rq
lock between example_enqueue() and the insertion, which means reenq_local()
will run afterwards (since it's deferred using irq_work), removing all tasks
from the DSQ, including the userspace scheduler.

A similar problem arises even if we don't do direct dispatch and drop the rq
lock after example_enqueue(): since dispatching and reenq_local() are deferred
using different irq_work entries, and irq_work_run() processes entries from
newest to oldest, dispatching will be handled before reenq_local(), yielding
the same result.

The user may be unaware of this behavior (it's not mentioned anywhere) and
expect the reenqueue to happen before dispatching the new task.

I think at the very least we should make users aware of this in the comment
for scx_bpf_reenqueue_local___v2().

Best,
Kuba

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-12-11 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-25  0:18 [PATCHSET sched_ext/for-6.19] sched_ext: Deprecate ops.cpu_acquire/release() Tejun Heo
2025-10-25  0:18 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched_ext: Split schedule_deferred() into locked and unlocked variants Tejun Heo
2025-10-25 23:17   ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-10-25  0:18 ` [PATCH 2/3] sched_ext: Factor out reenq_local() from scx_bpf_reenqueue_local() Tejun Heo
2025-10-25 23:19   ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-10-25  0:18 ` [PATCH 3/3] sched_ext: Allow scx_bpf_reenqueue_local() to be called from anywhere Tejun Heo
2025-10-25 23:21   ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-10-27  9:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27 16:00     ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-27 17:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27 18:05         ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-27 18:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27 18:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27 18:17         ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 11:01           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-28 17:07             ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-27 18:19   ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 10:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-29 15:11       ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 15:49     ` [PATCH v3 " Tejun Heo
2025-11-27 10:39       ` Kuba Piecuch
2025-12-02 23:05         ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-11 14:24       ` Kuba Piecuch [this message]
2025-12-11 16:17         ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-11 16:20           ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-13  1:16             ` Andrea Righi
2025-12-13  1:18               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 15:31 ` [PATCHSET sched_ext/for-6.19] sched_ext: Deprecate ops.cpu_acquire/release() Tejun Heo

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