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From: "Jesung Yang" <y.j3ms.n@gmail.com>
To: "Eliot Courtney" <ecourtney@nvidia.com>,
	"Jesung Yang" <y.j3ms.n@gmail.com>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Nicolas Schier" <nsc@kernel.org>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] scripts: generate_rust_analyzer: move sysroot crates to sysroot_project
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2026 20:06:24 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DFV2IL7N8X9O.2DLY12HALP8AA@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DFV0C3T2RXW8.1F3G0Q7R999TC@nvidia.com>

On Thu Jan 22, 2026 at 6:23 PM KST, Eliot Courtney wrote:
> On Wed Jan 21, 2026 at 9:01 AM JST, Jesung Yang wrote:
>> I still think the versioning infrastructure is a prerequisite as we're
>> using the `sysroot_src` field here.
>>
>> If we specify `sysroot_src` without `crate_attrs = ["no_std"]`,
>> rust-analyzer treats `std` as a dependency for all local crates by
>> default. Consequently, any rust-analyzer version lacking `crate_attrs`
>> support (which silently ignores `crate_attrs = ["no_std"]`) would
>> incorrectly assume an implicit `std` dependency for all kernel modules.
>> Having the versioning infrastructure first allows us to handle this
>> transition without breaking the user experience for those on older
>> toolchains.
> Yeah, I agree that specifying sysroot_src by itself includes std and that
> is potentially an issue.
>
> But, currently due to issues like the relative #[path] include, the
> sysroot crates aren't really processable very well by rust-analyzer
> causing a lot of spurious errors and unresolved symbols, which make
> using the LSP experience pretty bad IMO. OTOH, while the sysroot_src
> approach does include std, it at least makes it usable. Personally I
> find it more useful this way, but I can see the argument for both sides.

So the problem here is that the versioning infrastructure effectively
restricts the use of `sysroot_src` for older rust-analyzer versions
that do not support `crate_attrs`, which leads to yet another bad
experience. Hmm... I would like to hear others' thoughts on this
trade-off, since I don't have a perfect solution at the moment.

> Tangential, but I'm not sure why the drivers don't specify no_std
> themselves - then we wouldn't have to worry about this IIUC.

Perhaps Miguel could chime in and give some details about this, but
you can find a bit of context here [1].

On a separate note: I actually have a previous effort covering
`sysroot_src` and `crate_attrs` [2] that I'd like to land first. It
covers almost the same ground as your 6th patch (minus the
`sysroot_project` use). Since I wrote the `crate-attrs` code in
rust-analyzer itself specifically to improve its usability in the
kernel, I'm hoping to finish the full story on the kernel side. Would
you be open to that?

Thanks!

[1] https://rust-for-linux.zulipchat.com/#narrow/channel/x/topic/x/near/561668361
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/20260101-ra-fix-primitive-v1-1-def809357b4e@gmail.com/

Best regards,
Jesung

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-22 11:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-20  8:52 [PATCH 0/6] scripts: generate_rust_analyzer: improve rust-project.json generation Eliot Courtney
2026-01-20  8:52 ` [PATCH 1/6] scripts: generate_rust_analyzer: rename cfg to generated_cfg Eliot Courtney
2026-01-20 15:28   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-03-02 17:09     ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-20  8:52 ` [PATCH 2/6] scripts: generate_rust_analyzer: plumb editions via command line Eliot Courtney
2026-01-20 13:57   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-20 15:28   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-20  8:52 ` [PATCH 3/6] scripts: generate_rust_analyzer: plumb crate-attrs Eliot Courtney
2026-01-20 15:28   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-20  8:52 ` [PATCH 4/6] scripts: generate_rust_analyzer: plumb common crate-attrs for non-host crates Eliot Courtney
2026-01-20 15:28   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-20  8:52 ` [PATCH 5/6] scripts: generate_rust_analyzer: add pin_init to driver crate deps Eliot Courtney
2026-01-20 15:28   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-20  8:52 ` [PATCH 6/6] scripts: generate_rust_analyzer: move sysroot crates to sysroot_project Eliot Courtney
2026-01-20 15:34   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-21  0:01     ` Jesung Yang
2026-01-22  9:23       ` Eliot Courtney
2026-01-22 11:06         ` Jesung Yang [this message]
2026-01-23  5:45           ` Eliot Courtney
2026-01-23 12:08             ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-23 12:23               ` Gary Guo
2026-01-23 12:31                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-20 13:38 ` [PATCH 0/6] scripts: generate_rust_analyzer: improve rust-project.json generation Miguel Ojeda

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