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From: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
Cc: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
	"Yury Norov" <yury.norov@gmail.com>,
	"John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	"Timur Tabi" <ttabi@nvidia.com>, "Edwin Peer" <epeer@nvidia.com>,
	"Eliot Courtney" <ecourtney@nvidia.com>,
	"Dirk Behme" <dirk.behme@de.bosch.com>,
	"Steven Price" <steven.price@arm.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 05/10] rust: io: add IoLoc and IoWrite types
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2026 09:33:00 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DGQ67S1NH3OA.2MS0YVO0UU2E2@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DGPXX0NEGDZ4.1PKJR9IWL2FS3@garyguo.net>

On Sat Feb 28, 2026 at 3:02 AM JST, Gary Guo wrote:
<snip>
>> +/// A pending I/O write operation, bundling a value with the [`IoLoc`] it should be written to.
>> +///
>> +/// Created by [`IoLoc::set`], [`IoLoc::zeroed`], [`IoLoc::default`], [`IoLoc::init`], or
>> +/// [`IoLoc::init_default`], and consumed by [`Io::write`] or [`Io::try_write`] to perform the
>> +/// actual write.
>> +///
>> +/// The value can be modified before writing using [`IoWrite::update`] or [`IoWrite::try_update`],
>> +/// enabling a builder pattern:
>> +///
>> +/// ```ignore
>> +/// io.write(REGISTER.init(|v| v.with_field(x)));
>> +/// ```
>
> Thinking about this again, I think we might still want to write
>
>     io.write(REGISTER, value)

This was the original design, but as you point out below this makes the
very common case of writing a register value built from scratch more
verbose than it needs. Real-world examples are significantly worse, e.g:

    bar.write(
    regs::NV_PFALCON_FALCON_DMATRFMOFFS::of::<E>()
        .try_init(|r| r.try_with_offs(load_offsets.dst_start + pos))?,
    );

turns into

    bar.write(
        regs::NV_PFALCON_FALCON_DMATRFMOFFS::of::<E>(),
        regs::NV_PFALCON_FALCON_DMATRFMOFFS::zeroed()
            .try_with_offs(load_offsets.dst_start + pos)?,
    );

>
> Granted, this does mean that we will write `REGISTER` twice in some cases:
>
>     io.write(REGISTER, REGISTER::default().with_field(foo));
>
> But, we have no redundancy for the update case:
>
>     io.update(REGISTER, |v| v.with_field(foo));

In nova-core, `update` is less common than writing a register value
built from scratch. That's really the only thing that holds us from
two arguments in `write`.

>
> The reason for this thought is that conceptually, the type of a register is not
> necessarily coupled with the register itself. This is the case currently for
> register arrays, but also the case when we think in the long term where

For these cases I was thinking we could rely on From/Into
implementations, as it gives us the option to make the conversion
explicit and thus less error-prone.

> bitfields become decoupled from `register!`. People also might just want to
> define a register of u32 without any bitfields at all, and in this case writing
>
>     io.write(REGISTER, u32_value)
>
> looks nicer than
>
>     io.write(REGISTER.set(u32_value))
>
> Spelling out the "offset" explictly, arguably, is also more natural for a C
> programmer, and also simpler on the implementation side (all the helper methods
> on `IoLoc` would go away).

That's true that it would be less `(try_)init` and friends helpers
(`IoWrite` would also go away I guess?). I'm not a huge fan of these
because they only cover specific initial values (zeroed() and
default()).

Maybe we can macro our way out of it?

It would look a little bit weird to resort to a macro just for the write
case, but I don't think we will be able to work around this without any
kind of compromise. FWIW, I think the single-argument `write` is a
reasonable one that might look a bit surprising at first encounter, but
has the benefit of reading naturally.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-28  0:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-24 14:21 [PATCH v7 00/10] rust: add `register!` macro Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH v7 01/10] rust: enable the `generic_arg_infer` feature Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH v7 02/10] rust: num: add `shr` and `shl` methods to `Bounded` Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH v7 03/10] rust: num: add `into_bool` method " Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH v7 04/10] rust: num: make Bounded::get const Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-27 12:33   ` Gary Guo
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH v7 05/10] rust: io: add IoLoc and IoWrite types Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-27 18:02   ` Gary Guo
2026-02-27 18:16     ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-28  0:33     ` Alexandre Courbot [this message]
2026-03-01 15:11       ` Gary Guo
2026-03-02  1:44         ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-02 12:53           ` Gary Guo
2026-03-02 13:12             ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-02 13:39               ` Gary Guo
2026-03-03  8:14                 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-03  8:31                   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-03 14:55                     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-03 15:05                       ` Gary Guo
2026-03-04 16:18                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-04 18:39                         ` Gary Guo
2026-03-04 18:58                           ` Gary Guo
2026-03-04 19:19                             ` John Hubbard
2026-03-04 19:53                               ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-04 19:57                                 ` John Hubbard
2026-03-04 20:05                                 ` Gary Guo
2026-03-04 19:38                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-04 19:48                               ` Gary Guo
2026-03-04 20:37                                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-04 21:13                                   ` Gary Guo
2026-03-04 21:38                                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-04 21:42                                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-04 22:15                                       ` Gary Guo
2026-03-04 22:22                                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-06  5:37                                         ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-06  7:47                                           ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-06 10:42                                           ` Gary Guo
2026-03-06 11:10                                             ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-06 11:35                                               ` Gary Guo
2026-03-06 12:50                                                 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-06 13:20                                                   ` Gary Guo
2026-03-06 14:32                                                     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-06 14:52                                                       ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-06 15:10                                                       ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-06 15:35                                                         ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-06 15:35                                                       ` Gary Guo
2026-03-07  0:05                                                         ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-07 21:10                                                           ` Gary Guo
2026-03-07 21:40                                                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-08 11:43                                                               ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-08 11:35                                                             ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-04 18:53                         ` Gary Guo
2026-03-04 22:19   ` Gary Guo
2026-03-05 11:02     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH v7 06/10] rust: io: use generic read/write accessors for primitive accesses Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-27 18:04   ` Gary Guo
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH v7 07/10] rust: io: add `register!` macro Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH v7 08/10] sample: rust: pci: use " Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH FOR REFERENCE v7 09/10] gpu: nova-core: use the kernel " Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-24 14:21 ` [PATCH v7 10/10] RFC: rust: io: allow fixed register values directly in `write` Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-25 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 00/10] rust: add `register!` macro Dirk Behme
2026-02-25 13:50   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-26 12:01     ` Dirk Behme
2026-02-27 23:30       ` Alexandre Courbot

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