From: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>
To: "Manivannan Sadhasivam" <mani@kernel.org>
Cc: "Robin Murphy" <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
"Manivannan Sadhasivam" <manivannan.sadhasivam@oss.qualcomm.com>,
"Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
"Krzysztof Wilczyński" <kwilczynski@kernel.org>,
"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
"Heiko Stuebner" <heiko@sntech.de>,
"Niklas Cassel" <cassel@kernel.org>,
"Shawn Lin" <shawn.lin@rock-chips.com>,
"Hans Zhang" <18255117159@163.com>,
"Nicolas Frattaroli" <nicolas.frattaroli@collabora.com>,
"Wilfred Mallawa" <wilfred.mallawa@wdc.com>,
linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Anand Moon" <linux.amoon@gmail.com>,
Grimmauld <grimmauld@grimmauld.de>,
"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
driver-core@lists.linux.dev, "Lukas Wunner" <lukas@wunner.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] PCI: dw-rockchip: Enable async probe by default
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2026 22:09:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DH09EDBW3X6T.2996UB1CFCAW2@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cp5uktfqdf6zs53qsye57ior2ikmssgevxxdtevkzpisaif22h@7mrxspkuibow>
On Wed Mar 11, 2026 at 1:28 PM CET, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2026 at 12:46:03PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
>> On Wed Mar 11, 2026 at 6:24 AM CET, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
>> > I have a contrary view here. If just a single driver or lib doesn't handle async
>> > probe, it cannot just force other drivers to not take the advantage of async
>> > probe. As I said above, enabling async probe easily saves a few hunderd ms or
>> > even more if there are more than one Root Port or Root Complex in an SoC.
>>
>> Then the driver or lib has to be fixed / improved first or the driver core has
>> to be enabled to deal with a case where PROBE_FORCE_SYNCHRONOUS is requested
>> from an async path, etc.
>>
>> In any case, applying the patch and breaking things (knowingly?) doesn't seem
>> like the correct approach.
>>
>> > I strongly agree with you here that the underlying issue should be fixed. But
>> > the real impact to end users is not this splat, but not having the boot time
>> > optimization that this patch brings in. As an end user, one would want their
>> > systems to boot quickly and they wouldn't bother much about a harmless warning
>> > splat appearing in the dmesg log.
>>
>> You mean quickly booting into a "harmless" potential deadlock condition the
>> warning splat tries to make people aware of? :)
>>
>
> Hmm, I overlooked the built-as-module part where the deadlock could be possible
> as indicated by the comment about the WARN_ON_ONCE().
>
> But what is the path forward here? Do you want the phylib to fix the
> request_module() call or fix the driver core instead?
Here are a few thoughts.
In general, I think the best would be to get rid of the (affected)
PROBE_FORCE_SYNCHRONOUS cases.
Now, I guess this can be pretty hard for a PCI controller driver, as you can't
really predict what ends up being probed from you async context, i.e. it could
even be some other bus controller and things could even propagate further.
Not sure how big of a deal it is in practice though, there are not a lot of
PROBE_FORCE_SYNCHRONOUS drivers (left), but note that specifying neither
PROBE_FORCE_SYNCHRONOUS nor PROBE_PREFER_ASYNCHRONOUS currently results in
synchronous by default.
(Also, quite some other PCI controller drivers do set PROBE_PREFER_ASYNCHRONOUS
and apparently got lucky with it.)
From a driver-core perspective I think we're rather limited on what we can do;
we are already in async context at this point and can't magically go back to
initcall context.
So, the only thing I can think of is to kick off work on a workqueue, which in
the end would be the same as the deferred probe handling.
Another alternative would be to let the subsystem handle such cases, which in
this case would probably mean to handle the current_is_async() case in
pci_host_probe() or pci_bus_add_devices().
On the other hand, this would probably end up to be a subsystem specific
implementation of "kick of work on a workqueue".
> I can drop this patch in the meantime. But holding this prolong wouldn't help.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-11 21:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-26 10:10 [PATCH v3] PCI: dw-rockchip: Enable async probe by default Anand Moon
2026-02-26 12:06 ` Niklas Cassel
2026-03-02 15:59 ` Hans Zhang
2026-03-03 1:01 ` Shawn Lin
2026-03-04 6:48 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-03-10 13:41 ` Robin Murphy
2026-03-10 15:30 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-03-10 21:03 ` Robin Murphy
2026-03-11 0:43 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-25 3:44 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-25 6:36 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-03-11 5:24 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-03-11 7:56 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-03-11 11:46 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-11 12:13 ` Niklas Cassel
2026-03-11 12:28 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-03-11 21:09 ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2026-03-12 1:33 ` Shawn Lin
2026-03-12 11:40 ` Anand Moon
2026-03-12 11:54 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-13 9:26 ` Anand Moon
2026-03-12 12:48 ` Robin Murphy
2026-03-12 12:59 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-13 13:15 ` Robin Murphy
2026-03-13 14:39 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-13 17:36 ` Robin Murphy
2026-03-14 5:12 ` Anand Moon
2026-03-17 6:24 ` Anand Moon
2026-03-13 14:05 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-03-13 9:25 ` Anand Moon
2026-03-25 4:13 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-25 15:01 ` Robin Murphy
2026-03-25 15:23 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-25 15:13 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-25 15:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-25 18:24 ` Anand Moon
2026-03-11 12:32 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
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