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From: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: "John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Timur Tabi" <ttabi@nvidia.com>,
	"dakr@kernel.org" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"a.hindborg@kernel.org" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Shashank Sharma" <shashanks@nvidia.com>,
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	"Zhi Wang" <zhiw@nvidia.com>, "simona@ffwll.ch" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	"tmgross@umich.edu" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
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	"Eliot Courtney" <ecourtney@nvidia.com>,
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	"gary@garyguo.net" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 03/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: basic GPU identification
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2026 16:27:19 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DHV935P8FJU1.XZRWWSGFFE8U@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8fb6c933-0cad-40b7-be0f-5aea648f56f7@nvidia.com>

On Tue Apr 14, 2026 at 6:29 AM JST, John Hubbard wrote:
> On 4/13/26 2:21 PM, Timur Tabi wrote:
>> On Mon, 2026-04-13 at 14:08 -0700, John Hubbard wrote:
>>>> Can you add something to the patch description that explains why Blackwell, unlike all of the
>>>> olther architectures, is represented by two Architecture enums?
>>>
>>> How's this:
>>>
>>> Blackwell uses two Architecture variants because the hardware itself
>>> exposes two distinct architecture IDs in NV_PMC_BOOT_0: 0x1A for
>
> This is really what drove it, for me, though: the hardware itself
> saw fit to identify these two variants as architectures. It's
> encoded into the very fabric of space-time itself! haha :)
>
>>> GB10x (GB100, GB102) and 0x1B for GB20x (GB202, GB203, GB205, GB206,
>>> GB207). Open RM maps these into separate chip families with distinct
>>> HAL routing and different firmware signature sections.
>> 
>> We don't need two arch's for Ampere to handle different firmware signature sections.  Looking
>> through your patches, the vast majority do this:
>> 
>> 	Architecture::BlackwellGB10x | Architecture::BlackwellGB20x
>> 
>> Looking through your patches, it seems overkill to separate these two.  The one or two instances
>> where it makes a difference, an if-statement will suffice.

I have to agree here, if we didn't split then the architecture IDs
`0x1a` and `0x1b` would need to both map to Blackwell, which makes them
impossible to represent correctly using an enum.

And granted, there are lots of

  `Architecture::BlackwellGB10x | Architecture::BlackwellGB20x`

in the code, but that catches the attention only because the variants
share the same prefix. If `BlackwellGB20x` was named something
completely different, it would go unnoticed (just like we often include
`Ada` in the same match arms as `Blackwell`).

So while it does look a bit strange to have 2 Blackwells, it does
reflect the hardware architecture correctly and doing things differently
would result in more complexity/incorrectness. For instance until v8
there was only a single Blackwell architecture with the ID `0x1b`,
leaving `0x1a` completely unmanaged.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-17  7:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-11  2:49 [PATCH v10 00/28] gpu: nova-core: firmware: Hopper/Blackwell support John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 01/28] gpu: nova-core: factor .fwsignature* selection into a new find_gsp_sigs_section() John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 02/28] gpu: nova-core: use GPU Architecture to simplify HAL selections John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 03/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: basic GPU identification John Hubbard
2026-04-11  3:58   ` Timur Tabi
2026-04-13 21:08     ` John Hubbard
2026-04-13 21:21       ` Timur Tabi
2026-04-13 21:29         ` John Hubbard
2026-04-17  7:27           ` Alexandre Courbot [this message]
2026-04-17  7:49             ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 04/28] gpu: nova-core: add Copy/Clone to Spec and Revision John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 05/28] gpu: nova-core: set DMA mask width based on GPU architecture John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 06/28] gpu: nova-core: move GFW boot wait into a GPU HAL John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 07/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: skip GFW boot waiting John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 08/28] gpu: nova-core: Blackwell: calculate reserved FB heap size John Hubbard
2026-04-17 14:23   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-04-18  1:42     ` John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 09/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: new location for PCI config mirror John Hubbard
2026-04-17 14:23   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-04-18  1:46     ` John Hubbard
2026-04-18  1:54       ` John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 10/28] gpu: nova-core: refactor SEC2 booter loading into BooterFirmware::run() John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 11/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: integrate FSP boot path into boot() John Hubbard
2026-04-17 14:24   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 12/28] gpu: nova-core: don't assume 64-bit firmware images John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 13/28] gpu: nova-core: add support for 32-bit " John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 14/28] gpu: nova-core: add auto-detection of 32-bit, 64-bit " John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 15/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add FSP falcon engine stub John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 16/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add FMC firmware image, in support of FSP John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 17/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add FSP secure boot completion waiting John Hubbard
2026-04-17 14:24   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 18/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add FMC signature extraction John Hubbard
2026-04-17 14:24   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 19/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add FSP falcon EMEM operations John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 20/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add FSP message infrastructure John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 21/28] gpu: nova-core: add MCTP/NVDM protocol types for firmware communication John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 22/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add FSP send/receive messaging John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 23/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add FspCotVersion type John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 24/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: larger non-WPR heap John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 25/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add FSP Chain of Trust boot John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 26/28] gpu: nova-core: Blackwell: use correct sysmem flush registers John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 27/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: larger WPR2 (GSP) heap John Hubbard
2026-04-11  2:49 ` [PATCH v10 28/28] gpu: nova-core: Hopper/Blackwell: add GSP lockdown release polling John Hubbard
2026-04-17 14:34 ` [PATCH v10 00/28] gpu: nova-core: firmware: Hopper/Blackwell support Alexandre Courbot

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