From: "Brendan Jackman" <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>
To: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
"Brendan Jackman" <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 19/22] mm/page_alloc: implement __GFP_UNMAPPED allocations
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2026 13:08:13 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DJ9NAB82KJUF.1G67EXZAJQ3RL@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4a4470b8-0aeb-4618-8a83-888221965153@kernel.org>
On Mon Jun 15, 2026 at 1:02 PM UTC, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> On 6/11/26 16:46, Brendan Jackman wrote:
>> On Mon Jun 1, 2026 at 8:50 AM UTC, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
>>> On 5/29/26 17:02, Brendan Jackman wrote:
>>>> On Fri May 15, 2026 at 4:46 PM UTC, Brendan Jackman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed May 13, 2026 at 3:43 PM UTC, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Uhh, speaking of compaction and reclaim... we rely on finding a whole free
>>>>>> pageblock in order to flip it. If that doesn't exist, the whole
>>>>>> get_page_from_freelist() will fail, and we might enter the
>>>>>> reclaim/compaction cycle in __allow_pages_slowpath(). But since we might
>>>>>> ultimately want an order-0 allocation, there won't be any compaction
>>>>>> attempted, because that code won't know we failed to flip a pageblock. And
>>>>>> the watermarks might look good and prevent reclaim as well I think? We
>>>>>> should somehow indicate this, and handle accordingly. Might not be trivial.
>>>>>> Or maybe reuse pageblock isolation code to do the migrations directly in
>>>>>> __rmqueue_direct_map?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, thanks, I suspect you are right.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did fear there would be some sort of case where this "not-quite
>>>>> reclaim" interacted badly with the actual reclaim, and I tried to test
>>>>> it by running some stuff in parallel with stress-ng (allocating
>>>>> __GFP_UNMAPPED via secretmem), and I didn't see a difference in the
>>>>> effective availability of memory. However, I suspect testing this is
>>>>> quite a deep art my "run these two commands that I copy pasted from an
>>>>> LLM suggestion" test was just crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any workloads you can suggest for evaluating this kinda
>>>>> thing? We would definitely see it in Google prod (I think we see this
>>>>> kind of issue with our shrinker-based internal version of ASI distorting
>>>>> reclaim behaviour in ways even more subtle than this) but that is not a
>>>>> very practical experimental cycle...
>>>>
>>>> I slop-coded a benchmark:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/bjackman/kernel-benchmarks-nix/tree/master/packages/benchmarks/secretmem-vs-frag
>>>>
>>>> It does some mmap/munmap patterns to try and generate fragmentation,
>>>> then spams secretmem allocations until it gets OOM-killed.
>>>>
>>>> With this series, I see the OOM-kills happening noticeably sooner on a
>>>> 1GiB VM:
>>>>
>>>> metric: secretmem_allocated_bytes (B) | test: secretmem-vs-frag
>>>> +---------------------------------------------+---------+-------------+-------------+-----------------+-------------+-------+
>>>> | kernel_release | samples | mean | min | histogram | max | Δμ |
>>>> +---------------------------------------------+---------+-------------+-------------+-----------------+-------------+-------+
>>>> | 7.0.0-rc4-next-20260319 | 4 | 683,147,264 | 643,825,664 | █ | 715,128,832 | |
>>>> | 7.0.0-rc4-next-20260319-00028-gf00246eb72cd | 3 | 623,553,195 | 551,550,976 | ███ | 692,060,160 | -8.7% |
>>>> +---------------------------------------------+---------+-------------+-------------+-----------------+-------------+-------+
>>>>
>>>> So... I think maybe I've reproduced the issue you pointed out? I will
>>>> try and fix it and see if this degradation goes away.
>>>
>>> Since I assume the fragmentating allocations are movable allocations, it
>>> might be the case, yeah.
>>
>> Alright, so I tried splitting NR_FREE_PAGES_BLOCKS into two counters to
>> track mapped vs unmapped blocks. Then I gave
>> compaction_suit_allocation_order() an 'unmapped' flag:
>>
>>
>> @@ -2510,19 +2510,39 @@ bool compaction_zonelist_suitable(struct alloc_context *ac, int order,
>> static enum compact_result
>> compaction_suit_allocation_order(struct zone *zone, unsigned int order,
>> int highest_zoneidx, unsigned int alloc_flags,
>> - bool async, bool kcompactd)
>> + bool unmapped, bool async, bool kcompactd)
>> {
>> unsigned long free_pages;
>> unsigned long watermark;
>>
>> - if (kcompactd && defrag_mode)
>> + /*
>> + * Might need to generate a whole free block regardless of the actual
>> + * allocation order:
>> + *
>> + * - When allocating an unmapped page, because the allocator only unmaps
>> + * whole blocks at a time.
>> + *
>> + * Why doesn't this apply to the other way around too? (Mightn't we
>> + * need to _map_ a whole block?) This is a temporary simplification:
>> + * currently, unmapped blocks don't contain movable pages, so
>> + * compaction isn't going to free up one of those.
>> + *
>> + * - In defrag_mode, because the allocator is unwilling to "steal" pages
>> + * from the "wrong" block.
>> + *
>> + * Why is this only under kcompactd?
>> + *
>> + * Temporary simplification: unmapped pageblocks are currently
>> + * nonmovable. So if the compactor is trying to service a
>> + */
>> + if (unmapped)
>> + free_pages = zone_page_state(zone, NR_FREE_PAGES_BLOCKS_MAPPED);
>> + else if (kcompactd && defrag_mode)
>> free_pages = zone_free_pages_blocks(zone);
>> else
>> free_pages = zone_page_state(zone, NR_FREE_PAGES);
>>
>>
>> ... Then, I changed __alloc_pages_direct_compact() to try to try to
>> compact for a whole block whenever we are trying to allocate an unmapped
>> page (note I think there's an orthogonal bug here where it leaks memory
>> when there's a "captured" compaction):
>>
>>
>> index 4f04e897c5374..7eed22f3b26eb 100644
>> --- a/mm/page_alloc.c
>> +++ b/mm/page_alloc.c
>> @@ -824,6 +824,9 @@ compaction_capture(struct capture_control *capc, struct page *page,
>> capc_mt != MIGRATE_MOVABLE)
>> return false;
>>
>> + if (freetype_flags(freetype) != freetype_flags(capc->cc->freetype))
>> + return false;
>> +
>> if (migratetype != capc_mt)
>> trace_mm_page_alloc_extfrag(page, capc->cc->order, order,
>> capc_mt, migratetype);
>> @@ -4469,20 +4472,27 @@ __alloc_pages_direct_compact(gfp_t gfp_mask, unsigned int order,
>> struct page *page = NULL;
>> unsigned long pflags;
>> unsigned int noreclaim_flag;
>> + unsigned int compact_order = order;
>>
>> - if (!order)
>> + // TODO: Is it OK to always run compaction like this?
>> + /*
>> + * Unmapped allocations benefit from compaction even at order 0, because the
>> + * allocator will actually grab a whole block.
>> + */
>> + if (freetype_flags(ac->freetype) & FREETYPE_UNMAPPED)
>> + compact_order = pageblock_order;
>> +
>> + if (!compact_order)
>> return NULL;
>>
>> psi_memstall_enter(&pflags);
>> delayacct_compact_start();
>> noreclaim_flag = memalloc_noreclaim_save();
>>
>> - *compact_result = try_to_compact_pages(gfp_mask, order, alloc_flags, ac,
>> - prio, &page);
>> + // TODO: deal with captured page, if we changed the order it will have the
>> + // wrong order. Also check it respects the freetype flags.
>> + *compact_result = try_to_compact_pages(gfp_mask, compact_order,
>> + alloc_flags, ac, prio, &page);
>>
>> memalloc_noreclaim_restore(noreclaim_flag);
>> psi_memstall_leave(&pflags);
>>
>> Full code:
>> https://github.com/bjackman/linux/tree/page_alloc-unmapped-2026-06-11
>>
>> This makes the regression above (faster OOMs) go away, but it seems like
>> a pretty blunt approach. But then I'm realising I don't really know why it
>> matters?
>
> You mean, why does it matter that we don't OOM prematurely? I'd say that
> matters a lot.
>
>> The main thing is presumably that we are more likely to
>> pointlessly attempt compaction or compact more than we need. But in that
>
> I don't understand why that would be the case? If compaction thinks our goal
> is order-0, there won't be any?
>
> Or you mean that it doesn't matter that your approach above is blunt, and
> are talking about the consequences of that blunt approach?
Yeah exactly this - it seems to fix the issue, but I dunno if it's
cheating. It _feels_ like cheating but I actually don't know what it
would break - maybe nothing?
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2026-03-20 18:23 [PATCH v2 00/22] mm: Add __GFP_UNMAPPED Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 01/22] x86/mm: split out preallocate_sub_pgd() Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 19:42 ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 11:01 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-24 15:27 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-25 13:28 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 02/22] x86/mm: Generalize LDT remap into "mm-local region" Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 19:47 ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 12:01 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-23 12:57 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-25 14:23 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 03/22] x86/tlb: Expose some flush function declarations to modules Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 04/22] mm: Create flags arg for __apply_to_page_range() Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 05/22] mm: Add more flags " Brendan Jackman
2026-03-26 16:14 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 06/22] x86/mm: introduce the mermap Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 07/22] mm: KUnit tests for " Brendan Jackman
2026-03-24 8:00 ` kernel test robot
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 08/22] mm: introduce for_each_free_list() Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 13:46 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 09/22] mm/page_alloc: don't overload migratetype in find_suitable_fallback() Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 13:51 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 16:44 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 16:53 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-12 13:24 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2026-06-12 14:44 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-06-12 15:53 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 10/22] mm: introduce freetype_t Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 15:34 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 16:49 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 16:58 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 18:17 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 18:26 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-18 0:00 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 11/22] mm: move migratetype definitions to freetype.h Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 15:35 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 12/22] mm: add definitions for allocating unmapped pages Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:01 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 13/22] mm: rejig pageblock mask definitions Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:07 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 14/22] mm: encode freetype flags in pageblock flags Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:29 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 15/22] mm/page_alloc: remove ifdefs from pindex helpers Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:30 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-12 9:49 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 16/22] mm/page_alloc: separate pcplists by freetype flags Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 8:46 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 17/22] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 18/22] mm/page_alloc: introduce ALLOC_NOBLOCK Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 9:43 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-15 13:36 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-15 15:52 ` Gregory Price
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 19/22] mm/page_alloc: implement __GFP_UNMAPPED allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 15:43 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-15 16:46 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-29 15:02 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-06-01 8:50 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-11 14:46 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-06-15 13:02 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-15 13:08 ` Brendan Jackman [this message]
2026-06-15 13:22 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-01 8:59 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 20/22] mm/page_alloc: implement __GFP_UNMAPPED|__GFP_ZERO allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 17:00 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-15 16:50 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 21/22] mm: Minimal KUnit tests for some new page_alloc logic Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 22/22] mm/secretmem: Use __GFP_UNMAPPED when available Brendan Jackman
2026-03-31 14:40 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 16:17 ` [PATCH v2 00/22] mm: Add __GFP_UNMAPPED Gregory Price
2026-05-13 17:14 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 17:28 ` Gregory Price
2026-05-13 17:38 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-13 17:59 ` Gregory Price
2026-05-15 9:31 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-15 16:04 ` Gregory Price
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