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From: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
To: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	"Yury Norov" <yury.norov@gmail.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	"John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	"Timur Tabi" <ttabi@nvidia.com>,
	"Eliot Courtney" <ecourtney@nvidia.com>,
	"Zhi Wang" <zhiw@nvidia.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	nova-gpu@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] rust: num: casts: replace const type narrowing methods with a macro
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2026 15:39:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DKY3P0L34CTV.10MQOAMUR38SO@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DKY3F6MT327X.2BYD1IDZP8F81@nvidia.com>

On Tue Aug 25, 2026 at 3:26 PM BST, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> On Tue Aug 25, 2026 at 9:01 PM JST, Gary Guo wrote:
>> On Tue Aug 25, 2026 at 9:25 AM BST, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
>>> What I wouldn't want is a raw `as`, because the point of the saga we
>>> started a long time ago is to introduce better tools that allow us to
>>> get rid of the almighty `as` into weaker (i.e. safer) options, even if
>>> some uses of `as` may be "obviously right".
>>
>> I think that is rather a linting issue, not something that warrants extra code
>> in kernel. We have been requesting some extra clippy features and I think that
>> is the correct way to go, not add a ton of methods and macros. Yes, it wasn't
>> moving on clippy end, but I could add a feature to klint instead?
>>
>> Do you think we still need all these extra function and macros if we
>> can get clippy (or klint) to enforce CAST comments?
>>
>> I can imagine the following rules that would practically solve all the footgun
>> of `as` numerical casts without having to use awkward syntax:
>>
>> * widening casts are allowed
>> * narrowing casts is disallowed unless CAST comment exists, except where its
>>   value is constant and truncation does not happen.
>
> These rules classify casts by width, but the footguns really are about
> which values are actually being converted.
>
> In particular for value narrowing we still end up with CAST comments,
> whose existence a lint can check, but not their correctness (for
> instance, a bindgen-provided constant that changes in a breaking way).
> `const_as!` lets us drop them altogether.

The rule says "except where its value is constant and truncation does not
happen".

So I'd imagine just writing

    bindings::FOO as u32

and *NOT* have CAST comment, and a warning being generated if truncation
happens.

Best,
Gary

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-25 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-25  2:44 [PATCH 0/2] rust: num: casts: replace const type narrowing methods with a macro Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-25  2:44 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-25  7:18   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-08-25  8:25   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-08-25 12:01     ` Gary Guo
2026-08-25 14:26       ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-25 14:39         ` Gary Guo [this message]
2026-08-25 13:54     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-25 14:02     ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-08-25 14:11       ` Gary Guo
2026-08-25 14:30       ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-25 12:04   ` Gary Guo
2026-08-25  2:44 ` [PATCH 2/2] gpu: nova-core: use kernel lossless integer conversion module Alexandre Courbot
2026-08-25  5:27   ` Eliot Courtney

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