From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cantab.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:27:58 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E16yd71-0000X4-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204201006280.11450-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <E16ycFR-0000Vg-00@starship> <20020420105125.B29646@work.bitmover.com>
On Saturday 20 April 2002 19:51, Larry McVoy wrote:
> If you dump the licensing discussion and think about how BK could help
> you, you can see we are half to an improvement over the "mail to the
> list" model. The problem I had with the "mail to the list" model was
> that it was easy to miss something and then not realized that you
> had missed it.
True, but it also seemed to create a certain energy that now seems to be
slipping away. Maybe this is just called 'maturity', I don't know. Now,
my original objection was *only* to the inclusion of the Bitkeeper
documentation in the kernel tree. A well-known developer who has chosen
to stay out of the discussion - perhaps by reason of being asleep - used
the term 'bitkeeper mafia'. That's not a good sign. At this juncture, a
little moderation, as you've shown, could do a lot to mitigate that
perception.
Then it would be back to the usual programming: how to make it all better.
> Now a lot of that stuff is ending up on bkbits.net
> and if there was a way to say "tell me everything that is there but
> not here", that would be a distinct improvement, it means that the
> "mail" is archived and you can find it when you want it.
The missing part is watching the mail go by. It's the discourse, where
has it gone? What happened to the times when patches were actually
discussed before going into the tree? Can we somehow have that and
bitkeeper too... and a fairy castle...
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-04-20 18:28 UTC|newest]
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2002-04-19 15:12 [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:16 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 16:25 ` David Lang
2002-04-20 17:05 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 16:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 17:38 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 2:26 ` Ian Molton
2002-06-18 19:12 ` Greg Stark
2002-04-20 17:19 ` [PATCH] " Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 21:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 21:36 ` Skip Ford
2002-04-20 21:40 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 23:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 21:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 0:04 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21 0:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 9:22 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 10:05 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 10:17 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 11:10 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 16:46 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:00 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:05 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 17:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 13:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-21 13:41 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 16:50 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:18 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 15:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:11 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 12:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-22 16:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-23 13:49 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 14:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 15:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 17:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 18:12 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:13 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:37 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:04 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 17:01 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 17:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:05 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 15:27 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21 2:30 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 15:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 15:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 23:36 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-26 21:58 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 16:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 16:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:54 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 2:36 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 15:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:29 ` Nils Philippsen
2002-04-20 16:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 2:38 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 16:13 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 16:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:51 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 21:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 21:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 1:41 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 15:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:52 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:59 ` Russell King
2002-04-20 16:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:15 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 16:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:02 ` arjan
2002-04-20 22:30 ` Stelian Pop
2002-04-21 2:46 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:37 ` Russell King
2002-04-20 23:15 ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-04-20 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 1:38 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-04-21 15:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 22:00 ` Stevie O
2002-04-20 22:14 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 2:48 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:16 ` Suggestion " CaT
2002-04-21 17:40 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 17:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:54 ` CaT
2002-04-21 18:11 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:23 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 19:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 6:04 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-22 10:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 10:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 10:57 ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-04-21 22:08 ` Barry K. Nathan
2002-04-21 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:54 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 12:10 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:02 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:07 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-24 9:03 ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-24 11:33 ` Dave Jones
2002-04-21 18:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 18:25 ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:27 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:19 ` Dave Jones
2002-04-20 17:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-20 18:35 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-20 18:13 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-19 19:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 2:53 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 1:46 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:26 ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 16:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:27 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 16:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:45 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 17:41 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 18:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 19:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:48 ` Russell King
2002-04-19 19:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 2:57 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 2:56 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 3:46 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 3:43 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 4:05 ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 1:53 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 18:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 23:08 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-24 2:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 3:59 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 4:32 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-21 5:59 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21 4:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 12:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 15:44 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 15:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 16:10 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 16:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:53 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 20:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:53 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:21 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:45 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 22:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 22:08 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 22:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:30 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 21:33 ` Nicholas Harring
2002-04-25 20:53 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-21 23:16 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-23 20:45 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-25 3:51 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25 3:55 ` Olivier Galibert
2002-04-25 12:38 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25 13:33 ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-25 14:29 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-25 15:41 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-22 17:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-27 18:59 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:42 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:52 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-27 20:02 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 17:40 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 18:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 18:47 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:07 ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 19:41 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:49 ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:42 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 20:03 ` tomas szepe
2002-04-28 20:11 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 20:40 ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-29 6:55 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-29 6:55 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-28 20:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-27 20:40 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 17:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 17:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:48 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 21:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 18:01 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 18:29 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:41 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-23 4:57 ` Andre Pang
2002-04-22 11:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 5:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21 4:31 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 4:20 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 4:42 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 4:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 4:49 ` Ben Greear
2002-04-21 6:27 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 11:18 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 16:28 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 12:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:14 ` Impressions of 2.5.8 Matthew D. Pitts
2002-04-21 4:40 ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Skip Ford
2002-04-21 8:31 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 13:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:08 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 20:53 ` Skip Ford
2002-04-21 16:35 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 17:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:23 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:39 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:47 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:26 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 6:33 ` Rusty Russell
2002-04-21 15:36 ` [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 9:28 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 15:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 18:11 ` John Alvord
2002-04-21 18:15 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 15:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:09 ` Daniel Phillips
[not found] <20020421101731.D10525@work.bitmover.com>
2002-04-21 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 14:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:38 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 18:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:06 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 14:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:30 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 22:04 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-21 20:22 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-22 0:01 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 20:32 ` Jeff Garzik
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-22 18:37 Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 18:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 19:19 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:51 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:56 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 20:13 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:53 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:47 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 19:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:13 ` Rik van Riel
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