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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Virtual address space exhaustion (was  Discontigmem virt_to_page() )
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:02:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E173fVi-0002Ic-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020503103813.K11414@dualathlon.random> <4055279713.1020413842@[10.10.2.3]>

On Friday 03 May 2002 17:17, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> Andrea apparently wrote:
> > Ah, and of course you could also use 2M pagetables by default to make it
> > more usable but still you would run in some huge ram wastage in certain
> > usages with small files, huge pageins and reads swapout and swapins,
> > plus it wouldn't be guaranteed to be transparent to the userspace
> > binaries (for istance mmap offset fields would break backwards
> > compatibility on the required alignment, that's probably the last
> > problem though). Despite its also significant drawbacks and the
> > complexity of the change, probably the 4M pagetables would be the saner
> > approch to manage more efficiently 64G with only a 800M kernel window.
> 
> Though that'd reduce the size of some of the structures, I'd still
> have other concerns (such as tlb size, which is something stupid
> like 4 pages, IIRC), and the space wastage you mentioned. Page 
> clustering is probably a more useful technique - letting the existing
> control structures control groups of pages. For example, one struct
> page could control aligned groups of 4 4K pages, giving us an 
> effective page size of 16K from the management overhead point of
> view (swap in and out in 4 page chunks, etc).

IMHO, this will be a much easier change than storing mem_map in highmem,
and solves 75% of the problem.  It's not just ia32 numa that will benefit
from it.  For example, MIPS supports 16K pages in software, which will
take a lot of load off the tlb.  According to Ralf, there are benefits
re virtual aliasing as well.

-- 
Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-05-03 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-26 18:27 Bug: Discontigmem virt_to_page() [Alpha,ARM,Mips64?] Russell King
2002-04-26 22:46 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-04-29 17:50   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-04-29 22:00   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-30  0:43     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-04-27 22:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-29 13:35   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-04-29 23:02     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-01  2:23       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-04-30 23:12         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-01  1:05           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02  0:47           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-01  1:26             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02  1:43               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-01  2:41                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 13:34                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 15:18                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-02 15:35                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-01 15:42                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 16:06                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 16:10                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-02 16:40                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 17:16                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-02 18:41                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 19:19                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-02 19:27                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 19:38                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-02 19:58                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03  6:28                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03  6:10                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 22:20                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-02 21:28                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-02 21:52                                           ` Kurt Ferreira
2002-05-02 21:55                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-03  6:38                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03  6:58                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-03  6:04                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03  6:33                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-03  8:38                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03  9:26                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-03 15:38                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-03 15:17                                             ` Virtual address space exhaustion (was Discontigmem virt_to_page() ) Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-03 15:58                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03 16:10                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-03 16:25                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03 16:02                                               ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-05-03 16:20                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03 16:41                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03 16:58                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03 18:08                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03  9:24                                         ` Bug: Discontigmem virt_to_page() [Alpha,ARM,Mips64?] William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-03 10:30                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03 11:09                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-03 11:27                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03 15:42                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-03 15:32                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-02 19:22                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03  6:06                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 18:25                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 18:44                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 19:31                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-02 18:57                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 19:08                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03  5:15                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-05 23:54                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-06  0:28                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-06  0:34                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-06  1:01                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-06  0:55                                           ` Russell King
2002-05-06  1:07                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-06  1:20                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-06  1:24                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-06  1:42                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-06  1:48                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-06  2:06                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-06 17:40                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-06 19:09                                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-06  1:09                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-06  1:13                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-06  2:03                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-06  2:31                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-06  8:57                                               ` Russell King
2002-05-06  8:54                                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-06 15:26                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-06 19:07                                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-08 15:57                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-08 23:11                                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-09 16:08                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-09 22:06                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-09 22:22                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-09 23:00                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-09 23:22                                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-10  0:13                                                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-02 22:39                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-03  7:04                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 23:42                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03  7:45                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 16:07                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-02 16:58                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-02 18:10                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 19:28                               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-02 22:23                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-03  6:20                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03  6:39                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-02 16:00                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-02  2:37             ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-02 15:59               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 16:06                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-01 18:05         ` Jesse Barnes
2002-05-01 23:17           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-01 23:23             ` discontiguous memory platforms Jesse Barnes
2002-05-02  0:51               ` Ralf Baechle
2002-05-02  1:27                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02  1:32                   ` Ralf Baechle
2002-05-02  8:50                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-01 13:21                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 14:00                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-01 14:08                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 17:56                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-01 17:59                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 18:26                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-02 18:32                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 19:40                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-02 20:14                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03  6:34                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-03  9:33                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-03  6:30                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 18:35                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-05-02 18:39                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02  0:20             ` Bug: Discontigmem virt_to_page() [Alpha,ARM,Mips64?] Anton Blanchard
2002-05-01  1:35               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02  1:45                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-01  2:02                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02  2:33                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-01  2:44                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02  1:46                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-01  1:56                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02  1:01               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-02 15:28                 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-05-01 16:10                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 15:59                   ` Dave Engebretsen
2002-05-01 17:24                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-02 16:44                       ` Dave Engebretsen
2002-05-02 16:31                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-02 16:21                     ` Dave Engebretsen
2002-05-02 17:28                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-02 23:05               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03  0:05                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-03  1:19                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03 19:47                     ` Dave Engebretsen
2002-05-03 22:06                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-03 23:52               ` David Mosberger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-03 18:37 Virtual address space exhaustion (was Discontigmem virt_to_page() ) Tony Luck
2002-05-03 19:01 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-27  1:15   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-03 19:09   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-05-03 19:17     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-05-03 19:24       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-05-03 19:38   ` Matti Aarnio
2002-05-03 19:50   ` Tony Luck
2002-05-03 20:22   ` Jeff Dike
2002-05-03 19:30     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-05-03 22:35       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-05-05  0:49         ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-05 17:59           ` Martin J. Bligh

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