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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@transmeta.com
Subject: Re: AUDIT: copy_from_user is a deathtrap.
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 11:26:48 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E178t00-0006e2-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 2002 15:52:20 +0100." <E178j5g-0006en-00@the-village.bc.nu>

In message <E178j5g-0006en-00@the-village.bc.nu> you write:
> > We could do that, or, we could fix the actual problem, which is the
> > HUGE FUCKING BEARTRAP WHICH CATCHES EVERY SINGLE NEW PROGRAMMER ON THE
> > WAY THROUGH.
> 
> Capital letters versus content. I'd prefer content

1) Returning 0 on success, and -errno on error is a common kernel
   convention.

2) Following kernel conventions makes it easier for other programmers
   to use your code.

3) You should only violate kernel conventions when there is a
   compelling reason.

	1a) If you're going to break a convention, do it in a way that
	    breaks compile, or 
	1b) If you can't do that, make it reliably break at runtime.

4) The single case which requires this information can be fixed by a
   simple 10-line wrapper function.

I do not believe this is a compelling reason to violate kernel
convention in a way which is almost impossible to notice.  I furthur
believe that it speaks very poorly about the thought put into kernel
interface design.

> All the cases I looked at where replications of existing bugs copied from
> old drivers.

Try looking at intermezzo, or the s390 and s390x ports.  New code, new
coders, same trap.

Rusty.
--
  Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-18  1:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-17  9:27 AUDIT: copy_from_user is a deathtrap Rusty Russell
2002-05-17  9:21 ` David S. Miller
2002-05-17  9:49   ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17  9:35     ` David S. Miller
2002-05-17 12:26       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 17:42         ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-17 12:17     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-17 12:21       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 12:58         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-17 12:58           ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 13:13             ` John Levon
2002-05-17 14:52             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-18  1:26               ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2002-05-17 17:58             ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-18  2:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-18 15:06       ` John Alvord
2002-05-17 10:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found] <mailman.1021642692.12772.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2002-05-17 17:36 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-05-18  1:05   ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-18  2:57     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-16 23:27       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] ` <200205191212.g4JCCLY25867@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
     [not found]   ` <20020520112232.A8983@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
2002-05-21 10:57     ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-21  6:21       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-05-21  8:33         ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-05-21 19:02           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-05-22 14:27         ` Denis Vlasenko
     [not found] <E178eMm-0000NO-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205171936220.1524-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-05-18 10:16   ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-18 16:14     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19  2:10       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19  3:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19  3:05           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-19  4:01             ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19  4:02               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-16 23:56                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-16 23:56                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-19  3:31           ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19  3:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-16 23:53               ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-21 20:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 21:17                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-21 21:25                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 21:44                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-21 21:46                       ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-21 22:04                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 22:21                           ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 13:47                             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 14:13                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 14:54                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 14:42                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 15:27                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 18:58                                   ` Kasper Dupont
2002-05-22 22:02                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-23  3:54                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-23 11:15                                     ` Edgar Toernig
2002-05-22 16:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22 20:28                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22  0:47                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-22  5:01                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22  6:28                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22  4:57                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22 13:30                         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 18:43                     ` Marco Colombo
2002-05-19 20:23       ` Edgar Toernig
2002-05-19 22:44         ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-19  3:38 Rusty Russell
2002-05-19  5:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-17  0:00   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-18 21:47   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-19 12:22     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-19 18:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19 19:57       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-20  2:06       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-20  2:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-20  4:53           ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19 20:12             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-05-20 16:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19 11:41   ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205191951460.22433-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <E179fAd-0005vs-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-05-20 10:59   ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-22 10:08 Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-22 16:23 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-22 13:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-22 18:58 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-22 14:13   ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook

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