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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: root@chaos.analogic.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: HZ, preferably as small as possible
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:40:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17Uvam-0004Pz-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1020717162206.12592A-100000@chaos.analogic.com>

On Wednesday 17 July 2002 22:31, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> 
> > On Monday 15 July 2002 07:06, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > There is, of course, the option to do variable frequency (and make it
> > > integer multiples of the exposed "constant HZ" so that kernel code
> > > doesn't actually need to _care_ about the variability). There are
> > > patches to play with things like that.
> > 
> > We don't have to feel restricted to integer multiples.  I'll paste in my 
> > earlier post, for your convenience:
> > 
> > > ...If somebody wants a cruder scheduling interval than the raw timer
> > > interrupt, that's child's play, just step the interval down.  The
> > > only slightly challenging thing is do that without restricting
> > > choice of rate for the raw timer and scheduler, respectively.  Here,
> > > a novel application of Bresenham's algorithm (the line drawing
> > > algorithm) works nicely: at each raw interrupt, subtract the period
> > > of the raw interrupt from an accumulator; if the result is less
> > > than zero, add the period of the scheduler to the accumlator and
> > > drop into the scheduler's part of the timer interrupt.
> > 
> > [which just increments the timer variable I believe]
> > 
> > > This Bresenham trick works for arbitrary collections of interrupt
> > > rates, all with different periods.  It has the property that,
> > > over time, the total number of invocations at each rate remains
> > > *exactly* correct, and so long as the raw interrupt runs at a
> > > reasonably high rate, displacement isn't that bad either.
> > 
> > This technique is scarcely less efficient than the cruder method.
> 
> It is hardly novel and I can't imagine how Bresenham or whomever
> could make such a claim to the obvious. Even the DOS writer(s) used
> this technique to get one-second time intervals from the 18.206
> ticks/per second. This is simply division by subtraction, but you
> don't throw away the remainder. Therefore, in the limit, there is
> no remainder. However, at any instant, the time can be off by as
> much as the divisor -1. FYI, you make digital filters using this
> same method, it's hardly novel.

It's novel for Linux then, because it seems not to have occured to
anyone here.  I'll take your agressive response as a vote in favor.

-- 
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-17 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-10 19:59 HZ, preferably as small as possible Grover, Andrew
2002-07-10 21:09 ` george anzinger
2002-07-11  6:03   ` Hannu Savolainen
2002-07-11  7:15     ` george anzinger
2002-07-12  0:36       ` Stevie O
2002-07-12  0:50         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12  0:55           ` Robert Love
2002-07-12  0:58             ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12  1:24             ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12  1:37             ` Mark Hahn
2002-07-12  1:09         ` george anzinger
2002-07-12  1:26           ` Roland Dreier
2002-07-12 17:30             ` george anzinger
2002-07-12  1:35           ` Stevie O
2002-07-12  3:01         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-07-11 12:54     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-11 15:59       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-10 21:28 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 21:35   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-10 21:38     ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 21:42       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-11  2:14         ` CaT
2002-07-11 17:01     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-10 22:01   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 22:09     ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-11 13:36       ` Whoa... (was: Re: HZ, preferably as small as possible) Mark Mielke
2002-07-11 21:08         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-10 22:41     ` HZ, preferably as small as possible Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 22:47       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 22:49       ` Eli Carter
2002-07-10 23:05         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 23:08       ` Dave Mielke
2002-07-10 23:13         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 23:50     ` J.A. Magallon
2002-07-11  0:28   ` Lincoln Dale
2002-07-11 11:35     ` Kasper Dupont
2002-07-11 12:30       ` Alan Cox
2002-07-11 13:37         ` Kasper Dupont
2002-07-11 15:46           ` Alan Cox
2002-07-11 18:51       ` george anzinger
2002-07-15  5:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-15 16:26   ` Robert Love
2002-07-15 18:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-15 19:52       ` mbs
2002-07-15 20:01         ` yodaiken
2002-07-16 11:41   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-07-17 19:33   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-17 20:31     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-17 20:40       ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-07-17 21:02         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-17 21:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-17 21:16         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-18 12:57         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-18 13:25           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-18 10:10       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-07-17 20:55     ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-11  2:46 Grover, Andrew
2002-07-11  3:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-07-11 11:45   ` Alan Cox
2002-07-11 17:08   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-11 19:21     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-16  9:17       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-07-11 20:34     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-12 12:01       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-15  5:15       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-15  6:56         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15  8:24           ` Russell King
2002-07-15 15:48             ` David Mosberger
2002-07-15 18:20               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15 18:30                 ` David Mosberger
2002-07-15 16:07             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15 17:06               ` Russell King
2002-07-15 18:43                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15 18:53                   ` Russell King
2002-07-15 18:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-15 20:15                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15  8:58         ` Dave Mielke
2002-07-11  7:09 ` george anzinger

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