System hang with ATI's lousy driver

System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Timothy Miller]

So, since XFree86's lousy open-source Radeon driver won't do OpenGL 
right, I am forced to use ATI's lousy proprietary Radeon driver.  With 
that, I can do OpenGL right, but when I exit the X server, the system 
hangs completely.  I get lots of vertical lines on the screen, but I 
can't even ping the computer.

Does anyone know of any conflict between using ATI's X11 driver and the 
Radeon console driver at the same time?

I'm using kernel gentoo-2.4.25.


I'm getting really sick of not being able to get new graphics cards to 
just work properly under Linux.


Thanks.

Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Joel Jaeggli]

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Timothy Miller wrote:

> So, since XFree86's lousy open-source Radeon driver won't do OpenGL 
> right, I am forced to use ATI's lousy proprietary Radeon driver.  With 
> that, I can do OpenGL right, but when I exit the X server, the system 
> hangs completely.  I get lots of vertical lines on the screen, but I 
> can't even ping the computer.

you didn't specify which ati card?
 
> Does anyone know of any conflict between using ATI's X11 driver and the 
> Radeon console driver at the same time?
> 
> I'm using kernel gentoo-2.4.25.
> 
> 
> I'm getting really sick of not being able to get new graphics cards to 
> just work properly under Linux.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Timothy Miller]

Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Timothy Miller wrote:
> 
> 
>>So, since XFree86's lousy open-source Radeon driver won't do OpenGL 
>>right, I am forced to use ATI's lousy proprietary Radeon driver.  With 
>>that, I can do OpenGL right, but when I exit the X server, the system 
>>hangs completely.  I get lots of vertical lines on the screen, but I 
>>can't even ping the computer.
> 
> 
> you didn't specify which ati card?

Sorry.  Radeon 9000 Pro.

>  
> 
>>Does anyone know of any conflict between using ATI's X11 driver and the 
>>Radeon console driver at the same time?
>>
>>I'm using kernel gentoo-2.4.25.
>>
>>
>>I'm getting really sick of not being able to get new graphics cards to 
>>just work properly under Linux.
>>
>>
>>Thanks.

Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Timothy Miller]

Timothy Miller wrote:

> 
> 
> I'm getting really sick of not being able to get new graphics cards to 
> just work properly under Linux.
> 


I got an unexpected response to this from someone.  They thought I was 
complaining about Linux.  On the contrary.  I was complaining about how 
hardware vendors suck because they have lousy support for Linux.

Some day, when Windows is a minor player, we'll have vindication, and 
vendors will have to provide open source drivers just to get business.  :)

Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Joel Jaeggli]

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Timothy Miller wrote:

> 
> 
> Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Timothy Miller wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>So, since XFree86's lousy open-source Radeon driver won't do OpenGL 
> >>right, I am forced to use ATI's lousy proprietary Radeon driver.  With 
> >>that, I can do OpenGL right, but when I exit the X server, the system 
> >>hangs completely.  I get lots of vertical lines on the screen, but I 
> >>can't even ping the computer.
> > 
> > 
> > you didn't specify which ati card?
> 
> Sorry.  Radeon 9000 Pro.

kernel drm + xfree86 driver will actually provide accelerated opengl 
support in Xwindows albiet without quite as many hardware features as the 
proprietary driver on all the rv2xx chipsets including the 9000 but not 
on the later models. 

kernel drm & radeonfb have been reported to not play very well with each 
other in other venues. vesafb is known to work in this situation though.
 
> >  
> > 
> >>Does anyone know of any conflict between using ATI's X11 driver and the 
> >>Radeon console driver at the same time?
> >>
> >>I'm using kernel gentoo-2.4.25.
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm getting really sick of not being able to get new graphics cards to 
> >>just work properly under Linux.
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks.
> 
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Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Timothy Miller]

Thanks for responding.

Joel Jaeggli wrote:

> 
> kernel drm + xfree86 driver will actually provide accelerated opengl 
> support in Xwindows albiet without quite as many hardware features as the 
> proprietary driver on all the rv2xx chipsets including the 9000 but not 
> on the later models. 

Well, maybe I should go back and try to get Mesa to work.  I don't need 
a lot of acceleration.  It's just that when I was using the Mesa driver, 
the OpenGL rendering would flash wildly, the colors would be all wrong, 
and the Z buffering was totally messed up, messing up the layering of 
objects, etc.  I didn't have this problem with RH9, but with Gentoo, 
it's completely broken.  Of course, I probably flubbed a step in the 
installation (that seems to be a 'feature' of Gentoo, although I really 
like Gentoo).

> 
> kernel drm & radeonfb have been reported to not play very well with each 
> other in other venues. vesafb is known to work in this situation though.

Maybe that's what I should use.  The 2.6 radeonfb doesn't seem to 
accelerate scrolling right yet anyhow, so what do I care?  :)


THANKS!

Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Craig Bradney]

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On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 21:08, Timothy Miller wrote:
> Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Timothy Miller wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>So, since XFree86's lousy open-source Radeon driver won't do OpenGL 
> >>right, I am forced to use ATI's lousy proprietary Radeon driver.  With 
> >>that, I can do OpenGL right, but when I exit the X server, the system 
> >>hangs completely.  I get lots of vertical lines on the screen, but I 
> >>can't even ping the computer.
> > 
> > 
> > you didn't specify which ati card?
> 
> Sorry.  Radeon 9000 Pro.
> 
> >  
> > 
> >>Does anyone know of any conflict between using ATI's X11 driver and the 
> >>Radeon console driver at the same time?
> >>
> >>I'm using kernel gentoo-2.4.25.
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm getting really sick of not being able to get new graphics cards to 
> >>just work properly under Linux.

I have a 9000 Pro running under gentoo-dev-sources 2.6.5 with 3d/opengl
supported...

and I had it running with 2.4.x ages ago with gentoo-sources.

Also have a 9000 M9 Mobility in this laptop with direct rendering
running ok.

Craig

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Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Timothy Miller]

Timothy Miller wrote:
> So, since XFree86's lousy open-source Radeon driver won't do OpenGL 
> right, I am forced to use ATI's lousy proprietary Radeon driver.  With 


It was pointed out to me that I shouldn't have referred to XF86's 
drivers as 'lousy'.  Let me clarify.  They would be wonderful if ATI 
would provide documentation.  Instead, developers have to stab in the 
dark.  Perhaps I should have said "XFree's drivers based on ATI's lousy 
documentation."

My apologies for being rude.

Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Pascal Schmidt]

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:20:09 +0200, you wrote in linux.kernel:

>>> So, since XFree86's lousy open-source Radeon driver won't do OpenGL 
>>> right, I am forced to use ATI's lousy proprietary Radeon driver. 
[...]
> Sorry.  Radeon 9000 Pro.

I have no problems with the XFree86 drivers on a Radeon 9200.
I'm using vgacon to drive the normal console. OpenGL performance
is okay.

-- 
Ciao,
Pascal

Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Jan De Luyck]

On Tuesday 20 April 2004 21:28, Joel Jaeggli wrote:

> kernel drm + xfree86 driver will actually provide accelerated opengl
> support in Xwindows albiet without quite as many hardware features as the
> proprietary driver on all the rv2xx chipsets including the 9000 but not
> on the later models.
>
> kernel drm & radeonfb have been reported to not play very well with each
> other in other venues. vesafb is known to work in this situation though.

I have that particular setup running quite satisfactory now for a few months, 
using a Radeon 9000 Mobile chip. No problems at all.

Jan

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Re: System hang with ATI's lousy driver

[Timothy Miller]

Jan De Luyck wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 April 2004 21:28, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> 
> 
>>kernel drm + xfree86 driver will actually provide accelerated opengl
>>support in Xwindows albiet without quite as many hardware features as the
>>proprietary driver on all the rv2xx chipsets including the 9000 but not
>>on the later models.
>>
>>kernel drm & radeonfb have been reported to not play very well with each
>>other in other venues. vesafb is known to work in this situation though.
> 
> 
> I have that particular setup running quite satisfactory now for a few months, 
> using a Radeon 9000 Mobile chip. No problems at all.
> 


I discovered why I thought the Mesa driver wasn't working.  It turns out 
that kscreensaver is broken.  If I use xscreensaver, or the screen saver 
starts from Gnome, or I run the OpenGL program stand-alone, everything 
works fine.  But if I use KDE's screen saver program or it starts 
automatically in KDE, OpenGL screen savers get all flickery, as if 
double-buffering had been disabled.

Apparently, this is a long out-standing bug in KDE.


The only bit of this that is not off-topic is that ATI's proprietary 
drivers are broken, because they don't get along with radeonfb.