From: Grzegorz Kulewski <kangur@polcom.net>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:51:49 +0100 (CET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0803100847000.3335@alpha> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200803092346.17556.phillips@phunq.net>
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> Every little factor of 25 performance increase really helps.
>
> Ramback is a new virtual device with the ability to back a ramdisk
> by a real disk, obtaining the performance level of a ramdisk but with
> the data durability of a hard disk. To work this magic, ramback needs
> a little help from a UPS. In a typical test, ramback reduced a 25
> second file operation[1] to under one second including sync. Even
> greater gains are possible for seek-intensive applications.
>
> The difference between ramback and an ordinary ramdisk is: when the
> machine powers down the data does not vanish because it is continuously
> saved to backing store. When line power returns, the backing store
> repopulates the ramdisk while allowing application io to proceed
> concurrently. Once fully populated, a little green light winks on and
> file operations once again run at ramdisk speed.
>
> So now you can ask some hard questions: what if the power goes out
> completely or the host crashes or something else goes wrong while
> critical data is still in the ramdisk? Easy: use reliable components.
> Don't crash. Measure your UPS window. This is not much to ask in
> order to transform your mild mannered hard disk into a raging superdisk
> able to leap tall benchmarks at a single bound.
>
> If line power goes out while ramback is running, the UPS kicks in and a
> power management script switches the driver from writeback to
> writethrough mode. Ramback proceeds to save all remaining dirty data
> while forcing each new application write through to backing store
> immediately.
>
> If UPS power runs out while ramback still holds unflushed dirty data
> then things get ugly. Hopefully a fsck -f will be able to pull
> something useful out of the mess. (This is where you might want to be
> running Ext3.) The name of the game is to install sufficient UPS power
> to get your dirty ramdisk data onto stable storage this time, every
> time.
Are you using barriers or ordered disk writes with physical sync in the
right moments or something like that? I think this is needed to allow any
journaling filesystem to do it's job right.
> The basic design premise of ramback is alluringly simple: each write to
> a ramdisk sets a per-chunk dirty bit. A kernel daemon continuously
> scans for and flushes dirty chunks to backing store.
Thanks,
GK
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Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-10 6:46 [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 7:51 ` Grzegorz Kulewski [this message]
2008-03-10 8:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 9:37 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 21:03 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 11:23 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 17:26 ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-11 19:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 20:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-12 8:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 14:41 ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-13 20:34 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14 2:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 21:56 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 23:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 13:25 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-12 13:30 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 15:29 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14 9:30 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 11:07 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 11:41 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14 12:12 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 12:56 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 15:47 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 16:49 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 17:04 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 18:03 ` david
2008-03-14 19:03 ` writeback cache dangers " Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 19:29 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-13 9:15 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-03-11 23:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:27 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:12 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 4:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 9:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 19:01 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-11 4:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 3:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 13:32 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-11 14:31 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-12 13:11 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-12 17:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 18:11 ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-12 22:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 5:45 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 6:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 6:30 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 6:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 7:05 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 7:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 13:32 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:33 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 21:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 6:32 ` david
2008-03-13 7:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 7:55 ` david
2008-03-13 8:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 8:39 ` david
2008-03-13 9:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 16:25 ` david
2008-03-13 19:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:50 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 20:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 17:53 ` Jeff Moyer
2008-03-15 20:26 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:40 ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-15 21:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 20:18 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 9:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 5:39 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 6:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 19:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 20:27 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14 2:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 5:22 ` David Newall
2008-03-14 5:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 14:00 ` John Stoffel
2008-03-15 20:59 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 20:56 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:08 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:03 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 22:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:05 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 21:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 21:55 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 22:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:46 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 23:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 11:53 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17 1:31 ` David Newall
2008-03-17 2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 3:59 ` david
2008-03-17 5:52 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 6:49 ` david
2008-03-17 8:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 10:39 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17 13:52 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-17 14:42 ` david
2008-03-17 17:23 ` david
2008-03-17 17:30 ` Willy Tarreau
[not found] ` <200803180233.10156.phillips@phunq.net>
2008-03-18 13:03 ` David Newall
2008-03-18 16:36 ` david
2008-03-31 11:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01 0:28 ` david
2008-04-01 4:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01 4:23 ` david
2008-04-01 6:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-18 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-31 11:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 7:14 ` David Newall
2008-03-17 8:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 18:56 ` David Newall
2008-03-23 9:33 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-23 20:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 22:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:22 ` david
2008-03-15 23:57 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16 3:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 5:24 ` David Newall
2008-03-16 12:49 ` Ingo Oeser
2008-03-16 6:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16 22:12 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 13:14 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 19:04 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-16 22:02 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:18 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-03-16 5:42 ` David Newall
2008-03-16 20:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:15 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 22:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 23:08 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 23:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 14:51 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-10 18:49 ` Chris Snook
2008-03-11 5:06 ` Greg KH
2008-03-11 5:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 5:48 ` david
2008-03-11 6:27 ` Greg KH
2008-03-12 12:01 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-03-12 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
[not found] <OFA00954A4.45F32CA2-ON8025740B.005D7B40-8025740B.005EECA6@sophos.com>
2008-03-13 19:34 ` Daniel Phillips
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