Re: Re: AMD thunderbird oops

Re: Re: AMD thunderbird oops

[joeja]

Well considering the other night the power supply went dead, I think that is part of the problem.  It is brand new, and I am being sent another one (free of course).  

I also had my mb loaded at the time (scsi cd-rw, cdrom, internal zip, floppy, 1 hd, Sound card, video, modem, NIC, scsi card) but my last tyan was fine with that load it may be a kt7a thing. 

Several people said that random (keyword here) oopses are more often a hardware thing.  I wonder if the kt7a is going to be able to perform  fully loaded.. 

is anyone running one fully loaded? 4 ide drives, 2 floppy, (5 pci and 1 isa) or 6pci, agp, 512MEG+ RAM?

Joe 

Dave Jones <davej@suse.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Alan Cox wrote:
> My current speculation is that the sdram setup on some of these boards can't
> actually take the full CPU spec caused by these hand tuned routines. There is
> some evidence to support that as several other boards only work with Athlon
> optimisation if you set the BIOS options to 'conservative' not 'optimised'

Interesting, and plausable theory. It would be more interesting to see
register dumps of the memory timing registers on both good and bad
systems, to see if this is the case.

Unfortunatly afair the register level specs of all the affected chipsets
are not available.

regards,

Dave.

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Re: Re: AMD thunderbird oops

[Luigi Genoni]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 joeja@mindspring.com wrote:

> Well considering the other night the power supply went dead, I think that is part of the problem.  It is brand new, and I am being sent another one (free of course).
I would have bet that power supply was erogating elettricity with a
discontinous intensity.
I saw that RAM stability is the first think to be affected (together
with L2 cache stability) in those cases.
>
> I also had my mb loaded at the time (scsi cd-rw, cdrom, internal zip, floppy, 1 hd, Sound card, video, modem, NIC, scsi card) but my last tyan was fine with that load it may be a kt7a thing.
>
> Several people said that random (keyword here) oopses are more often a hardware thing.  I wonder if the kt7a is going to be able to perform  fully loaded..
>
> is anyone running one fully loaded? 4 ide drives, 2 floppy, (5 pci and 1 isa) or 6pci, agp, 512MEG+ RAM?

yes,

1.300 Mhz

1 agp
4 pci
1 isa (I love my sound blaster 16 on ISA, could not live without)
3 disks
1 floppy
1 zip
1 dvd
5 fans

350 watt power supply.


Luigi

> Joe
>
> Dave Jones <davej@suse.de> wrote:
> > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Alan Cox wrote:
> > My current speculation is that the sdram setup on some of these boards can't
> > actually take the full CPU spec caused by these hand tuned routines. There is
> > some evidence to support that as several other boards only work with Athlon
> > optimisation if you set the BIOS options to 'conservative' not 'optimised'
>
> Interesting, and plausable theory. It would be more interesting to see
> register dumps of the memory timing registers on both good and bad
> systems, to see if this is the case.
>
> Unfortunatly afair the register level specs of all the affected chipsets
> are not available.
>
> regards,
>
> Dave.
>
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> | SuSE Labs
>
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Re: AMD thunderbird oops

[Tim Moore]

joeja@mindspring.com wrote:
> 
> Well considering the other night the power supply went dead, I think that is part of the problem.  It is brand new, and I am being sent another one (free of course).
> 
> I also had my mb loaded at the time (scsi cd-rw, cdrom, internal zip, floppy, 1 hd, Sound card, video, modem, NIC, scsi card) but my last tyan was fine with that load it may be a kt7a thing.
> 
> Several people said that random (keyword here) oopses are more often a hardware thing.  I wonder if the kt7a is going to be able to perform  fully loaded..
> 
> is anyone running one fully loaded? 4 ide drives, 2 floppy, (5 pci and 1 isa) or 6pci, agp, 512MEG+ RAM?
> 
> Joe

Similar board (KA7) had non-heat related lockups with 133MHz FSB (1756
BogoM).  100MHz FSB + 4 way interleave has been fast and stable (1690
BogoM).

/dev/hda:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.00 seconds =128.00 MB/sec

Abit KA7 (VT82C686a, rev 22), Athlon 850, 2x256MB PC133@CL2, 2 ide,
CR-RW, Colorado Travan, linux 2.2.20p6+ide.2.2.19.04092001, SPI 300W
power, PCI: Firewire, Netgear FA310TX, Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio,
AGP: 32MB TNT2.

CONFIG_M686=y
CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y
CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y
CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_TSC=y
CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y
CONFIG_1GB=y
CONFIG_MTRR=y

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Re: Re: AMD thunderbird oops

[joeja]

Thanks, 
    I have a heat sink and it is huge about 2 inches, plus fan. Plus another 4" fan in the case. (real nice case). 

    I think it is the memory, as yesterday my gcc was bombing with 'internel compiler error', which is usually a good mem tester.  So I started setting mem=64m and things worked better and the install went all the way through.  I think I need to slow my drams down a bit or add some delay in the bios settings.  

   The oops says something like 'kernel null pointer at address 0x000000'.  How do I 'catch' the output of an oops when the filesystem goes and I get ext2fs errors and am forced to reboot and manually run e2fsck?  

    Lastly with the mem=64M or mem=128M when I do a make dep, I get an error message that says Error 'missing seperator'.  What does that mean?  It stops in the drivers/net dir when I get this message?

Thanks
Joe

Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> > I just upgradede my system to an 1200Mhz AMD Athlon Thundirbird (266Mhz FSB) processor  / 512Meg of RAM, and an Asus kt7a motherboard.  > 
> It is oppsing left and right.  I recompiled the kernel with Athelon as the CPU but keep getting these oopses..
> 
> I also get these same problems while trying to install RH 7.1
> 
> Anyone know is this a supported processor / MB and has anyone had these problems?

Random oopses normally indicate faulty board cpu or ram (and the fault may 
even just be overheating or dimms not in the sockets cleanly). I doubt its
the board design or model that is the problem, you probably jut have a faulty
component somewhere if its oopsing randomly even during installs and stuff

memtest86, and heatsink compound may be your best friends

Re: Re: AMD thunderbird oops

[Luigi Genoni]

Have you considered to change your dimm at all?
If they are bugged they should be under warranty.

Luigi


On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 joeja@mindspring.com wrote:

> Thanks,
>     I have a heat sink and it is huge about 2 inches, plus fan. Plus another 4" fan in the case. (real nice case).
>
>     I think it is the memory, as yesterday my gcc was bombing with 'internel compiler error', which is usually a good mem tester.  So I started setting mem=64m and things worked better and the install went all the way through.  I think I need to slow my drams down a bit or add some delay in the bios settings.
>
>    The oops says something like 'kernel null pointer at address 0x000000'.  How do I 'catch' the output of an oops when the filesystem goes and I get ext2fs errors and am forced to reboot and manually run e2fsck?
>
>     Lastly with the mem=64M or mem=128M when I do a make dep, I get an error message that says Error 'missing seperator'.  What does that mean?  It stops in the drivers/net dir when I get this message?
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>
> Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> > > I just upgradede my system to an 1200Mhz AMD Athlon Thundirbird (266Mhz FSB) processor  / 512Meg of RAM, and an Asus kt7a motherboard.  >
> > It is oppsing left and right.  I recompiled the kernel with Athelon as the CPU but keep getting these oopses..
> >
> > I also get these same problems while trying to install RH 7.1
> >
> > Anyone know is this a supported processor / MB and has anyone had these problems?
>
> Random oopses normally indicate faulty board cpu or ram (and the fault may
> even just be overheating or dimms not in the sockets cleanly). I doubt its
> the board design or model that is the problem, you probably jut have a faulty
> component somewhere if its oopsing randomly even during installs and stuff
>
> memtest86, and heatsink compound may be your best friends
>
>
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