From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@innominate.de>
Cc: Martin Mares <mj@suse.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:52:13 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010221155213.davidel@xmailserver.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A945272.F13610AB@innominate.de>
On 21-Feb-2001 Daniel Phillips wrote:
> "H. Peter Anvin" wrote:
>>
>> Martin Mares wrote:
>> >
>> > > True. Note too, though, that on a filesystem (which we are, after all,
>> > > talking about), if you assume a large linear space you have to create a
>> > > file, which means you need to multiply the cost of all random-access
>> > > operations with O(log n).
>> >
>> > One could avoid this, but it would mean designing the whole filesystem in
>> > a
>> > completely different way -- merge all directories to a single gigantic
>> > hash table and use (directory ID,file name) as a key, but we were
>> > originally
>> > talking about extending ext2, so such massive changes are out of question
>> > and your log n access argument is right.
>>
>> It would still be tricky since you have to have actual files in the
>> filesystem as well.
>
> Have you looked at the structure and algorithms I'm using? I would not
> call this a hash table, nor is it a btree. It's a 'hash-keyed
> uniform-depth tree'. It never needs to be rehashed (though it might be
> worthwhile compacting it at some point). It also never needs to be
> rebalanced - it's only two levels deep for up to 50 million files.
>
> This thing deserves a name of its own. I call it an 'htree'. The
> performance should speak for itself - 150 usec/create across 90,000
> files and still a few optmizations to go.
>
> Random access runs at similar speeds too, it's not just taking advantage
> of a long sequence of insertions into the same directory.
>
> BTW, the discussion in this thread has been very interesting, it just
> isn't entirely relevant to my patch :-)
Daniel,
I'm all but saying that Your algo is not good.
I use something very like to it in my mail server ( XMail ) to index mail queue
files that has a two level depth fs splitting.
The mine was only an hint to try different types of directory indexing.
- Davide
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-02-21 23:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-02-20 15:04 [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2 Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-20 21:08 ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 21:20 ` Mike Dresser
2001-02-20 22:36 ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 23:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 1:04 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-02-21 16:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 22:58 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-20 21:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 0:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-21 2:35 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:34 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 23:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 0:35 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 1:01 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 2:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 3:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 16:33 ` Chris Mason
2001-02-22 22:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:08 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:29 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:32 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:59 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:26 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:32 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:50 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:07 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 23:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 23:52 ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
[not found] ` <3A945081.E6EB78F4@innominate.de>
2001-02-21 23:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 1:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 1:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 2:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 2:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 3:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 4:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 5:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 11:31 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-02-22 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 4:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 7:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 4:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 10:35 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-23 0:59 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-22 3:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 8:06 ` [rfc] [LONG] " Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 7:20 ` [rfc] " Bill Wendling
2001-02-22 8:34 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-02-21 23:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-22 19:04 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-02-22 6:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " tytso
2001-02-22 7:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 13:20 ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:16 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 20:11 ` tytso
2001-02-24 0:32 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:40 ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:38 ` Kai Henningsen
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102211740550.1933-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2001-02-21 22:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-02-23 1:52 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 21:43 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 22:37 ` Guest section DW
2001-02-24 2:47 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-24 5:34 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 2:49 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 3:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 12:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-23 18:57 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-23 12:38 Andries.Brouwer
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