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From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: Dan Kegel <dank@kegel.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Christopher K. St. John" <cks@distributopia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /dev/epoll update ...
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010919103903.davidel@xmailserver.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3BA8BBC9.EA1D0636@kegel.com>


On 19-Sep-2001 Dan Kegel wrote:
> "Christopher K. St. John" wrote:
>>  The Banga, Mogul and Druschel[1] paper (which I understand
>> was the inspiration for the Solaris /dev/poll which was the
>> inspiration for /dev/epoll?) talks about having the poll
>> return the current state of new descriptors. As far as I can
>> tell, /dev/epoll only gives you events on state changes. So,
>> for example, if you accept() a new socket and add it to the
>> interest list, you (probably) won't get a POLLIN. That's
>> not fatal, but it's awkward.
>>...
>>  My vote would be to always report the initial state, but
>> that would make the driver a little more complicated.
>> 
>>  What are the preferred semantics?
> 
> Taking an extreme but justifiable position for discussion's sake:
> 
> Stevens [UNPV1, in chapter on nonblocking accept] suggests that readiness
> notifications from the OS should only be considered hints, and that user
> programs should behave properly even if the OS feeds it false readiness
> events.  
> 
> Thus one possible approach would be for /dev/epoll (or users of /dev/epoll)
> to assume that an fd is initially ready for all (normal) events, and just
> try handling them all.  That probably involves a single system call
> to read() (or possibly a call to both write() and read(), or a call to accept(),
> or a call to getsockopt() in the case of nonblocking connect), so the overhead
> isn't very high.

I think there's an advantage instead.
With the usual scheme :

        select()/poll();
        recv()/send();

you always issue two system calls each time, while with :

        while (recv()/send() == FAIL) {
                wait_event();
        }

you're going to issue two calls only in certain conditions.




- Davide


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-09-19 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-19  2:20 [PATCH] /dev/epoll update Dan Kegel
2001-09-19  6:25 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-19  7:04 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 15:37   ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-19 15:59     ` Zach Brown
2001-09-19 17:12     ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 17:39     ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2001-09-19 18:26     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 17:25   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 19:03     ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 19:30       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 21:49         ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 22:11           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 23:24             ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 23:52               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20  2:13             ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-20  2:28               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20  3:03                 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-20 16:58                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20  4:32                 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-20  4:43                   ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-20  5:05                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-20 18:25                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 19:33                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-20 19:58                           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 17:18                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24  0:11                     ` Gordon Oliver
2001-09-24  0:33                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 19:23                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-24 20:04                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-21  5:59             ` Ton Hospel
2001-09-21 16:48               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-20  3:49 [patch] " Davide Libenzi
     [not found] <local.mail.linux-kernel/3BB03C6A.7D1DD7B3@kegel.com>
     [not found] ` <local.mail.linux-kernel/3BAEB39B.DE7932CF@kegel.com>
     [not found]   ` <local.mail.linux-kernel/3BAF83EF.C8018E45@distributopia.com>
2001-09-25 17:36     ` [PATCH] " Jonathan Lemon
2001-09-25 18:34       ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-24  4:16 Dan Kegel
2001-09-24 19:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-24 19:34   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 20:09     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 21:56       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:08         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 22:09           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:20             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 22:21               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:30                 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-25  9:25             ` Dan Kegel
     [not found] ` <3BAF83EF.C8018E45@distributopia.com>
2001-09-25  8:12   ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-21  6:22 Dan Kegel
2001-09-21 18:45 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-07 19:27 Davide Libenzi

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