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From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: Ralf Baechle <ralf@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: torvalds@transmeta.com, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Subject: Re: Purpose of the mm/slab.c changes
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:03:02 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010922140302.davidel@xmailserver.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010922142847.A20641@dea.linux-mips.net>


On 22-Sep-2001 Ralf Baechle wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 01:58:44PM -0700, Davide Libenzi wrote:
> 
>> >> Do You see it as a plus ?
>> >> The new allocated slab will be very likely written ( w/o regard
>> >> about the old content ) and an L2 mapping will generate
>> >> invalidate traffic.
>> > 
>> > If your invalidates are slower than your RAM, you should
>> > consider getting another computer.
>> 
>> You mean a Sun, that uses a separate bus for snooping ? :)
>> Besides to not under estimate the cache coherency traffic ( that on many CPUs
>> uses the main memory bus ) there's the fact that the old data eventually
>> present in L2 won't be used by the new slab user.
> 
> That's actually what having a slab cache of pre-initialized elements tries
> to achieve.
> 
> On anything that uses a MESI-like cache coherence protocol a cached dirty
> cache line that is written to will not cause any coherency traffic and
> thus be faster.

MESI is a bit more complicated than clean/dirty status.
This is a very good state machine graph for MESI :

http://odin.ee.uwa.edu.au/~morris/CA406/cache_coh.html

Besides this, i don't get how a LIFO could help you.
>From a cache point of view if the slab-free code run on processor A and
the slab-alloc code will run on a processor B, if these two ops are
executed very close in time ( due LIFO ) there's a good probability of
modified->shared migration that will result in pushback ops.
A FIFO will result in more time between free and alloc with a good probability
that the interlock will be relaxed.




- Davide


  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-22 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-09 11:05 Purpose of the mm/slab.c changes Manfred Spraul
2001-09-09 14:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 15:18   ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-09 15:33     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-11 18:41       ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-11 19:36         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-11 20:43           ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-12 14:18             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 16:12     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-09 16:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 16:47       ` Alan Cox
2001-09-09 16:55         ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-09 17:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 17:22           ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-09 17:27           ` arjan
2001-09-09 17:35           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 17:30         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 17:59         ` Fwd: 2.4.10-pre6 ramdisk driver broken? won't compile Stephan Gutschke
2001-09-09 20:26         ` Purpose of the mm/slab.c changes Rik van Riel
2001-09-15  0:29       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-09-09 20:23     ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-09 20:44       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-09 20:45         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-09 20:58           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-22 12:28             ` Ralf Baechle
2001-09-22 21:03               ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2001-09-22 21:36                 ` David S. Miller
2001-09-10  2:28     ` Daniel Phillips

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