From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: <ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Christopher K. St. John" <cks@distributopia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /dev/epoll update ...
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:04:53 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010924130453.davidel@xmailserver.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1adzk75r2.fsf@frodo.biederman.org>
On 24-Sep-2001 Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Coroutines or not, this does not change the picture.
>> All multiplexed servers have an IO driven scheduler that calls
>> code sections based on the fd.
>> Obviously if you've a one-thread-per-socket model, epoll is not your answer.
>
> A couroutine is a thread, the two terms are synonyms. Generally
> coroutines refer to threads with a high volumne of commniucation
> between them. And the terms come from different programming groups.
>
> However a fully cooperative thread (as is implemented in the current
> coroutine library) can be quite cheap, and is a easy way to implement
> a state machine. A pure state machine will have a smaller data
> footprint than the stack of a cooperative thread, but otherwise
> the concepts are pretty much the same. Language support for
> cooperative threads, so you could verify you wouldn't overflow your
> stack would be very nice.
>
> So epoll is a good solution if you have a one-thread-per-socket model,
> and you are doing cooperative threads. The thread being used here is
> simply a shortcut to writing a state machine.
If you'd be the os i guess you'd not say the same :)
It was pretty clear the model i meant was one real thread/process per fd.
The main difference with coroutines is that the /dev/epoll engine become
the scheduler of your app.
It's also clear that you can avoid the coroutines by writing a state machine.
There's a HUGE memory save with the stack removal that you pay with a more
complicated code.
- Davide
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-09-24 20:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-09-19 2:20 [PATCH] /dev/epoll update Dan Kegel
2001-09-19 6:25 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-19 7:04 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 15:37 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-19 15:59 ` Zach Brown
2001-09-19 17:12 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 17:39 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 18:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 17:25 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 19:03 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 19:30 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 21:49 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 22:11 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 23:24 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 23:52 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 2:13 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-20 2:28 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 3:03 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-20 16:58 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 4:32 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-20 4:43 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-20 5:05 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-20 18:25 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 19:33 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-20 19:58 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 17:18 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 0:11 ` Gordon Oliver
2001-09-24 0:33 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 19:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-24 20:04 ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2001-09-21 5:59 ` Ton Hospel
2001-09-21 16:48 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-20 3:49 [patch] " Davide Libenzi
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2001-09-25 17:36 ` [PATCH] " Jonathan Lemon
2001-09-25 18:34 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-24 4:16 Dan Kegel
2001-09-24 19:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-24 19:34 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 20:09 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 21:56 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:08 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 22:09 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:20 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 22:21 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:30 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-25 9:25 ` Dan Kegel
[not found] ` <3BAF83EF.C8018E45@distributopia.com>
2001-09-25 8:12 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-21 6:22 Dan Kegel
2001-09-21 18:45 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-07 19:27 Davide Libenzi
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