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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com>,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, tj@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	zhiquan1.li@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/18] x86/sgx: Add EPC OOM path to forcefully reclaim EPC
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2022 20:43:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y6oHjrLCbDzWh7nE@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y5duYxIHtSpK1qkj@google.com>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 06:09:39PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 12/9/22 08:05, Kristen Carlson Accardi wrote:
> > > Aside from that though, I don't think that killing enclaves makes sense
> > > outside the context of cgroup limits. 
> > 
> > I think it makes a lot of sense in theory.  Whatever situation we get
> > into with a cgroup's EPC we can also get into with the whole system's EPC.
> > 
> > *But*, it's orders of magnitude harder to hit on the whole system.
> 
> ...
> 
> > If someone wants to extend this OOM support to system-wide EPC later, then go
> > ahead.  But, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to invert this series for
> > it.
> 
> +1 from the peanut gallery.  With VMM EPC oversubscription suport, no sane VMM
> will oversubscribe VEPC pages.  And for VA pages, supporting swap of VA pages is
> likely a more userspace-friendly approach if system-wide EPC OOM is a concern.

When swapping VA pages the topology of the VA page cache for swapped VA
pages is the main question. It is compromise between how long swap-in and
swap-out can take, and how generic solution it be, meaning how deep
hierarchies you want to build, or is just a flat list of parent VA pages
"good enough".

Also, there's the question whether it should be a global cache, per cgroup
and so forth.

Implementing any solution is not overly complicated. Locking in these
options is what puzzles me.

BR, Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-26 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-02 18:36 [PATCH v2 00/18] Add Cgroup support for SGX EPC memory Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 01/18] x86/sgx: Call cond_resched() at the end of sgx_reclaim_pages() Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 21:33   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:37     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 21:45       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:17         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 22:37           ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 02/18] x86/sgx: Store struct sgx_encl when allocating new VA pages Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 21:35   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:40     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 21:48       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:35         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-02 22:47           ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:49             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 03/18] x86/sgx: Add 'struct sgx_epc_lru_lists' to encapsulate lru list(s) Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 21:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-08 15:31   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 18:03     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 04/18] x86/sgx: Use sgx_epc_lru_lists for existing active page list Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 21:43   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:51     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 22:10       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 05/18] x86/sgx: Track epc pages on reclaimable or unreclaimable lists Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 22:13   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 22:28     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 06/18] x86/sgx: Introduce RECLAIM_IN_PROGRESS flag for EPC pages Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 22:15   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-08 15:46   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 18:13     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 07/18] x86/sgx: Use a list to track to-be-reclaimed pages during reclaim Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 22:33   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-05 16:33     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-05 17:03       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-05 18:25         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 08/18] x86/sgx: Allow reclaiming up to 32 pages, but scan 16 by default Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08  9:26   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08  9:27     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 09/18] x86/sgx: Return the number of EPC pages that were successfully reclaimed Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08  9:30   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 10/18] x86/sgx: Add option to ignore age of page during EPC reclaim Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08  9:37   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 11/18] x86/sgx: Prepare for multiple LRUs Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08  9:42   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 12/18] x86/sgx: Expose sgx_reclaim_pages() for use by EPC cgroup Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08  9:46   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 13/18] x86/sgx: Add helper to grab pages from an arbitrary EPC LRU Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08  9:56   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 14/18] x86/sgx: Add EPC OOM path to forcefully reclaim EPC Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08 15:21   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-09 16:05     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-09 16:22       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-12 18:09         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-26 20:43           ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 15/18] cgroup/misc: Add per resource callbacks for css events Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08 14:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-08 15:15     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 16/18] cgroup/misc: Prepare for SGX usage Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08 15:23   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 17/18] x86/sgx: Add support for misc cgroup controller Kristen Carlson Accardi
2022-12-08 15:30   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-12-02 18:36 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] Docs/x86/sgx: Add description for cgroup support Kristen Carlson Accardi
2023-04-03 21:26 ` [EXTERNAL] [PATCH v2 00/18] Add Cgroup support for SGX EPC memory Anand Krishnamoorthi
2023-04-13 18:49   ` Anand Krishnamoorthi
2023-04-18 16:44     ` Mikko Ylinen
2023-04-27 16:53       ` Anand Krishnamoorthi

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