From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
peterz@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] locking/qspinlock: Optimize pending state waiting for unlock
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 21:19:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y7XfYPnQhLTcNZSh@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJF2gTTkLY+mUoG0oqw0mmJH0hK5bXYvrmYcLL1-zwNbzOb9TQ@mail.gmail.com>
* Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >> The situation is the SMT scenarios in the same core. Not an entering
> > >> low-power state situation. Of course, the granularity between cores is
> > >> "cacheline", but the granularity between SMT hw threads of the same
> > >> core could be "byte" which internal LSU handles. For example, when a
> > >> hw-thread yields the resources of the core to other hw-threads, this
> > >> patch could help the hw-thread stay in the sleep state and prevent it
> > >> from being woken up by other hw-threads xchg_tail.
> > >>
> > >> Finally, from the software semantic view, does the patch make it more
> > >> accurate? (We don't care about the tail here.)
> > >
> > > Thanks for the clarification.
> > >
> > > I am not arguing for the simplification part. I just want to clarify
> > > my limited understanding of how the CPU hardware are actually dealing
> > > with these conditions.
> > >
> > > With that, I am fine with this patch. It would be nice if you can
> > > elaborate a bit more in your commit log.
> > >
> > > Acked-by: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
> > >
> > BTW, have you actually observe any performance improvement with this patch?
> Not yet. I'm researching how the hardware could satisfy qspinlock
> better. Here are three points I concluded:
> 1. Atomic forward progress guarantee: Prevent unnecessary LL/SC
> retry, which may cause expensive bus transactions when crossing the
> NUMA nodes.
> 2. Sub-word atomic primitive: Enable freedom from interference
> between locked, pending, and tail.
> 3. Load-cond primitive: Prevent processor from wasting loop
> operations for detection.
As to this patch, please send a -v2 version of this patch that has this
discussion & explanation included in the changelog, as requested by Waiman.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-04 20:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-24 12:05 [PATCH] locking/qspinlock: Optimize pending state waiting for unlock guoren
2022-12-25 1:55 ` Waiman Long
2022-12-25 2:57 ` Guo Ren
2022-12-25 3:29 ` Waiman Long
2022-12-25 3:30 ` Waiman Long
2022-12-25 11:59 ` Guo Ren
2023-01-04 20:19 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2023-01-05 2:31 ` Guo Ren
2023-01-05 10:03 ` Ingo Molnar
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