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From: David Vernet <void@manifault.com>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, ast@kernel.org, andrii@kernel.org,
	martin.lau@linux.dev, song@kernel.org, yhs@meta.com,
	john.fastabend@gmail.com, kpsingh@kernel.org, sdf@google.com,
	haoluo@google.com, jolsa@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com,
	memxor@gmail.com, hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 3/3] bpf: Use BPF_KFUNC macro at all kfunc definitions
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 10:20:31 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y9AFT4pTydKh+PD3@maniforge.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lelsgf60.fsf@meer.lwn.net>

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 07:50:31AM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> David Vernet <void@manifault.com> writes:
> 
> > I was perhaps a bit naive to think we could just throw a __bpf_kfunc
> > macro onto the function signatures and call it a day :-) I think it's
> > probably best to table this for now, and either I or someone else can
> > come back to it when we have bandwidth to solve the problem more
> > appropriately.
> 
> Now I feel bad ... I was just tossing out a thought, not wanting to
> bikeshed this work into oblivion.  If what you have solves a real

No apologies necessary. I don't think this qualifies as bikeshedding.
IMO folks are raising legitimate UX concerns, which is important and
worth getting right.

> problem and is the best that can be done now, perhaps it should just go
> in and a "more appropriate" solution can be adopted later, should
> somebody manage to come up with it?

That would be my preference, but I also understand folks' sentiment of
wanting to keep out what they feel like is odd syntax, as Christoph said
in [0], and Daniel alluded to earlier in this thread.

[0]: https://lore.kernel.org/all/Y8+FeH7rz8jDTubt@infradead.org/

I tested on an LTO build and wrapper kfuncs (with external linkage) were
not being stripped despite not being called from anywhere else in the
kernel, so for now I _think_ it's safe to call this patch set more of a
cleanup / future-proofing than solving an immediate and pressing problem
(as long as anyone adding kfuncs carefully follows the directions in
[1]). In other words, I think we have some time to do this the right way
without paying too much of a cost later. If we set up the UX correctly,
just adding an EXPORT_SYMBOL_KFUNC call (or something to that effect,
including just using BTF_ID_FLAGS) should be minimal effort even if
there are a lot more kfuncs by then.

[1]: https://docs.kernel.org/bpf/kfuncs.html

If it turns out that we start to observe problems in LTO builds without
specifying __used and/or noinline, or if folks are repeatedly making
mistakes when adding kfuncs (by e.g. not giving wrapper kfuncs external
linkage) then I think it would be a stronger case to get this in now and
fix it up later.

Thanks,
David

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-24 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-23 17:15 [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/3] Add BPF_KFUNC macro for kfunc definitions David Vernet
2023-01-23 17:15 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/3] bpf: Add BPF_KFUNC macro for defining kfuncs David Vernet
2023-01-23 17:15 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/3] bpf: Document usage of the new BPF_KFUNC macro David Vernet
2023-01-23 17:15 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 3/3] bpf: Use BPF_KFUNC macro at all kfunc definitions David Vernet
2023-01-23 18:33   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-01-23 18:48     ` David Vernet
2023-01-23 18:54       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-01-23 19:01         ` David Vernet
2023-01-23 19:04         ` Daniel Borkmann
2023-01-23 21:00           ` Jonathan Corbet
2023-01-24  0:54             ` David Vernet
2023-01-24 14:50               ` Jonathan Corbet
2023-01-24 16:20                 ` David Vernet [this message]
2023-01-31 15:15                   ` Alan Maguire
2023-01-31 15:44                     ` David Vernet
2023-01-31 17:30                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-01-23 19:01   ` kernel test robot
2023-01-23 19:12   ` kernel test robot
2023-01-24  7:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-24 14:15     ` David Vernet

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