From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F3CC433E0 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EEB64E61 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231621AbhBVPco (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:32:44 -0500 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:58178 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231174AbhBVPcP (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:32:15 -0500 Received: by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EDEA64E74; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:31:31 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1614007891; bh=9FcUPYMXLKhNrj/ffjGV0hP8Lr9Qf6S1T4+egnm3mNE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=U/TKscHeN3BiAWJmurOB4kqO181TS/R7ygiu3WXUECO710czdUo3hQUZxfHkNhHTT knc/UW4CRzI+cogePcv/MRNTjTSON00iOmax4sg9RwvYsOqqsOHy+cHqWNSTlDsWho wwKy6tHxaARuyDclgJhI25M1/W6ur8/0k7RbGYIM= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:17:08 +0100 From: Greg Kroah-Hartman To: Florian Fainelli Cc: Scott Branden , Willy Tarreau , Sasha Levin , BCM Kernel Feedback , LKML , Linux ARM Subject: Re: 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years? Message-ID: References: <20210218165104.GC2013@sasha-vm> <00b9e2fb-d818-58d6-edae-4dbd6aa814f7@gmail.com> <20210218182050.GB15217@1wt.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 09:44:23AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: > > > On 2/19/2021 7:53 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 07:05:41AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 2/19/2021 12:25 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > >>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:16:50PM -0800, Scott Branden wrote: > >>>> On 2021-02-18 10:36 a.m., Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:20:50PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 06:53:56PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:21:13AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: > >>>>>>>> As a company, we are most likely shooting ourselves in the foot by not > >>>>>>>> having a point of coordination with the Linux Foundation and key people > >>>>>>>> like you, Greg and other participants in the stable kernel. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What does the LF have to do with this? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We are here, on the mailing lists, working with everyone. Just test the > >>>>>>> -rc releases we make and let us know if they work or not for you, it's > >>>>>>> not a lot of "coordination" needed at all. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Otherwise, if no one is saying that they are going to need these for 6 > >>>>>>> years and are willing to use it in their project (i.e. and test it), > >>>>>>> there's no need for us to maintain it for that long, right? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Greg, please remember I expressed I really need them for slightly more than > >>>>>> 3 years (say 3.5-4) :-) I'm fine with helping a bit more as time permits if > >>>>>> this saves me from having to take over these kernels after you, like in the > >>>>>> past, but I cannot engage on the regularity of my availability. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ok, great! > >>>>> > >>>>> That's one person/company saying they can help out (along with what CIP > >>>>> has been stating.) > >>>>> > >>>>> What about others? Broadcom started this conversation, odd that they > >>>>> don't seem to want to help out :) > >>>> Greg, I'm sorry but I'm not in a position to provide such a commitment. > >>> > >>> Ok, who at Broadcom do I need to talk to to get that type of commitment? > >> > >> I am not sure if I was too subtle before, we (Broadcom) cannot give you > >> an unified voice to speak with because we are divided in silos/business > >> units that make their independent decisions. > > > > That's fine, I'm totally used to that, large (and even small) companies > > always have different groups with different roadmaps and policies. > > > >> The group I work in (STB/CM, different from Scott's) is committed to > >> using the 5.10 kernel for 6 years and that is a decision that has been > >> taken. > > > > Great! Will you all be testing the -rc releases and letting me know how > > they work for your systems? > > Yes I will, can you add me to your CC list for the stable candidates? > That helps me not having to dig for those announcements specifically. Now added. Of course _after_ I just sent out a round of stable -rc releases, sorry about that :( greg k-h