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From: Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>
To: Vincent Donnefort <vincent.donnefort@arm.com>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, rjw@rjwysocki.net, viresh.kumar@linaro.org,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	ionela.voinescu@arm.com, lukasz.luba@arm.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PM / EM: Inefficient OPPs detection
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 13:12:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YHg7pfGKhzlMrXqC@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1617901829-381963-2-git-send-email-vincent.donnefort@arm.com>

Hi Vincent,

On Thursday 08 Apr 2021 at 18:10:29 (+0100), Vincent Donnefort wrote:
> Some SoCs, such as the sd855 have OPPs within the same performance domain,
> whose cost is higher than others with a higher frequency. Even though
> those OPPs are interesting from a cooling perspective, it makes no sense
> to use them when the device can run at full capacity. Those OPPs handicap
> the performance domain, when choosing the most energy-efficient CPU and
> are wasting energy. They are inefficient.
> 
> Hence, add support for such OPPs to the Energy Model, which creates for
> each OPP a performance state. The Energy Model can now be read using the
> regular table, which contains all performance states available, or using
> an efficient table, where inefficient performance states (and by
> extension, inefficient OPPs) have been removed.
> 
> Currently, the efficient table is used in two paths. Schedutil, and
> find_energy_efficient_cpu(). We have to modify both paths in the same
> patch so they stay synchronized. The thermal framework still relies on
> the original table and hence, DevFreq devices won't create the efficient
> table.
> 
> As used in the hot-path, the efficient table is a lookup table, generated
> dynamically when the perf domain is created. The complexity of searching
> a performance state is hence changed from O(n) to O(1). This also
> speeds-up em_cpu_energy() even if no inefficient OPPs have been found.

Interesting. Do you have measurements showing the benefits on wake-up
duration? I remember doing so by hacking the wake-up path to force tasks
into feec()/compute_energy() even when overutilized, and then running
hackbench. Maybe something like that would work for you?

Just want to make sure we actually need all that complexity -- while
it's good to reduce the asymptotic complexity, we're looking at a rather
small problem (max 30 OPPs or so I expect?), so other effects may be
dominating. Simply skipping inefficient OPPs could be implemented in a
much simpler way I think.

Thanks,
Quentin

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-15 13:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-08 17:10 [PATCH] PM / EM: Inefficient OPPs detection Vincent Donnefort
2021-04-08 17:10 ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-04-15 13:12   ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2021-04-15 14:12     ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-04-15 15:04       ` Quentin Perret
2021-04-15 15:27         ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-04-22 15:36     ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-04-23 16:14       ` Quentin Perret
2021-04-28 14:46         ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-05-20 11:12           ` Quentin Perret
2021-04-15 13:16   ` Quentin Perret
2021-04-15 14:34     ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-04-15 14:59       ` Quentin Perret
2021-04-15 15:05         ` Quentin Perret
2021-04-15 15:14         ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-04-15 15:20           ` Quentin Perret
2021-04-15 15:32             ` Lukasz Luba
2021-04-15 15:43               ` Quentin Perret
2021-04-28 13:28                 ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-04-22 17:26   ` Lukasz Luba

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