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From: Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
To: Hans-Gert Dahmen <hans-gert.dahmen@immu.ne>
Cc: Mauro Lima <mauro.lima@eclypsium.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Philipp Deppenwiese <philipp.deppenwiese@immu.ne>,
	Richard Hughes <hughsient@gmail.com>,
	"platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org" 
	<platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware: export x86_64 platform flash bios region via sysfs
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:32:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YYzxWPIWFAV04LRU@lahna> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHifhD5bXu2nP533RXyWDnyNt=k2rRZq5Z6A6CCik_2e6XNgGA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 09:59:32AM +0100, Hans-Gert Dahmen wrote:
> > I think we discussed this previously already but in any case, instead of
> > removing the tag from the "main" driver, we can make certain "safe"
> > parts of the driver available without that tag. That would allow you to
> > read the things the controller exposes and allow distros safely include
> > the driver too. By "safe" parts, I mean the information available
> > through the SPI flash controller without actually sending commands to
> > the flash chip. I think this is the information everybody (on this
> > thread at least) is interested in. Unless I'm mistaken - I did not check
> 
> Yes you are mistaken. My patch is about safely reading the BIOS/UEFI
> binary on every past and future x86_64 system. There are tools out
> there that use the interface my patch uses and they can not work any
> longer when /dev/mem is locked down with SecureBoot enabled. The
> tools, like fwupd, should work out-of-the-box on the typical
> distribution. During this discussion we were told that my patch is not
> welcome and that we have to work with you to achieve the same. So I'm
> curious to hear how that can be done.

OK, I see from your patch that it uses the direct mapped read-only
region to read this data.

Do we know what information exactly fwupd needs? I mean exposing all of
this might not be good idea from security perspective (but I'm not an
expert). However, we can perhaps expose some of it through intel-spi,
and make that work so that distros can enable it safely. My concern of
removing the DANGEROUS tag is that we end up bricking yet another Lenovo
laptop by accident. Avoiding that would give me more peace of mind :)

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-11 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-09  0:01 [PATCH] firmware: export x86_64 platform flash bios region via sysfs Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-09  6:16 ` Greg KH
2021-11-09  8:52   ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-09  8:56     ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-09 10:28     ` Greg KH
2021-11-09 12:32       ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-09 12:42         ` Greg KH
2021-11-09 14:09           ` Mauro Lima
2021-11-09 14:11             ` Mauro Lima
2021-11-09 14:10           ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
     [not found]             ` <CAHp75VfbYsyC=7Ncnex1f_jiwrZhExDF7iy4oSGZgS1cHmsN0Q@mail.gmail.com>
2021-11-10  8:37               ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-10  9:04                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-11-10  9:17                   ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-10  9:25                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-11-10 10:00                       ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-10 13:13                         ` Mauro Lima
2021-11-10 16:31                           ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-11-10 17:37                             ` Mauro Lima
2021-11-11  6:42                               ` Mika Westerberg
2021-11-11  8:59                                 ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 10:32                                   ` Mika Westerberg [this message]
2021-11-11 10:55                                     ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 11:43                                       ` Greg KH
2021-11-11 11:46                                     ` Richard Hughes
2021-11-11 12:46                                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-11-11 12:56                                         ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 13:54                                           ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-11-11 14:33                                             ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 15:30                                               ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-11-11 15:43                                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-11-11 15:49                                                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-11-11 16:05                                                     ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 21:07                                                     ` Richard Hughes
2021-11-12  6:52                                                       ` Greg KH
2021-11-12 10:09                                                         ` Richard Hughes
2021-11-12 10:43                                                           ` Greg KH
2021-11-12 12:25                                                             ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 16:07                                                 ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 16:44                                                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-11-11 16:55                                                     ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 17:48                                                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-11-11 18:14                                                         ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 19:14                                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-11-11 20:50                                                             ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 13:00                                       ` Mika Westerberg
2021-11-11 13:22                                         ` Richard Hughes
2021-11-11 13:34                                           ` Mika Westerberg
2021-11-11 13:36                                             ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-11 14:42                                             ` Mauro Lima
2021-11-11 15:06                                               ` Mika Westerberg
2021-11-11 15:16                                                 ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-11-12  6:59                                                   ` Mika Westerberg
2021-11-11 15:31                                                 ` Mauro Lima
2021-11-11 11:50                                 ` Mauro Lima
2021-11-10 17:41                             ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
     [not found]   ` <E1CBFD23-AC3B-43BF-BF0A-158844486BA9@getmailspring.com>
2021-11-09 10:24     ` Greg KH
2021-11-09 10:30       ` Philipp Deppenwiese
2021-11-09 11:25         ` Greg KH
2021-11-09 13:55   ` Mauro Lima
2021-11-09 16:12     ` Greg KH
2021-11-09 17:23       ` Mauro Lima
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-06-22 14:23 Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-06-22 20:02 ` Greg KH
2021-06-25 13:54   ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-06-22 22:18 ` David Laight
2021-06-23 12:17   ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-06-23 12:40     ` gregkh
2021-06-24 11:20       ` Hans-Gert Dahmen
2021-06-24 11:42         ` gregkh
2021-06-23 13:22     ` David Laight
2021-06-18 16:47 Hans-Gert Dahmen

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