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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Remove a.out support
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 20:09:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YeHKYXssmfX9Lfrr@zn.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YeD2q77KmaD8k87Q@mit.edu>

Just to answer the "do we still wanna support running original a.out
binaries" aspect...

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 11:06:03PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> > > Let's pour one out for being able to run Minix binaries on Linux.  :-)
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minix_3:
> > 
> > "2013-02-21 ... Dropped support for a.out binaries"
> > 
> > They themselves killed that support a lot earlier. :-)
> 
> Well, Minix 3 is a very different beast than the Minix 1.x

Right, but if the Minix 1.x successor has deemed a.out support obsolete
and has removed in 2013 I figure we can too. :-)

And, btw, Alan had a good, practical idea at the time we talked about
deprecating a.out support:

https://lore.kernel.org/all/20190305134347.4be2449c@alans-desktop/

And that is probably the best thing to do: if people wanna run old a.out
binaries, they can either write an a.out loader as an ELF program or
slap an old linux distro in a VM and do that there just fine.

If you look at the original thread which started this:

https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAG48ez1RVd5mQ_Pb6eygQESaZhpQz765OAZYSoPE0kPqfZEXQg@mail.gmail.com/

it looked even back then like a.out support is so rusty, bitrotten and
broken that we're probably even doing ourselves a favor to remove it.

Especially if not even the toolchains would even create an a.out
executable and no one even noticed.

So...

> that Linus used when he was boot-strapping Linux back in 1991. :-)
>
> Among other things Minux 1.x is system call compatible with the
> original V7 Unix from AT&T, whereas Minux 2.x and higher switch to
> having system calls that were Posix comaptible --- and Minix 2, being
> at teaching OS, wouldn't have kept any backwards compatibility when
> Prof. Tannenbaum released the 2nd edition of his Operating Systems
> Design and Implementation book in 1997.

I had a lot of fun reading that book. :-)

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

https://people.kernel.org/tglx/notes-about-netiquette

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-14 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-13 16:01 [PATCH] x86: Remove a.out support Borislav Petkov
2022-01-13 18:08 ` Kees Cook
2022-01-13 18:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-13 22:56   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-14  4:06     ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-14 10:40       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-01-14 19:09       ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2022-01-14  9:51     ` David Laight
2022-01-14 14:52     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-14 18:57       ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-14 19:00         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-14 19:12       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-14 19:21         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-14 19:35           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-15 11:37             ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-15 19:42               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2022-03-09 20:03                 ` [PATCH] a.out: Stop building a.out/osf1 support on alpha and m68k Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 20:37                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-09 22:02                     ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 22:04                   ` Kees Cook
2022-03-10 23:29                     ` [PATCH] x86: Remove a.out support Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-10 23:35                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-11  8:47                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-11 10:03                       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-03-10  8:09                   ` [PATCH] a.out: Stop building a.out/osf1 support on alpha and m68k Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-15  4:54           ` [PATCH] x86: Remove a.out support David Laight
2022-03-11 14:40 ` [tip: x86/cleanups] " tip-bot2 for Borislav Petkov
2022-04-11 17:42 ` tip-bot2 for Borislav Petkov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-03-12 17:54 [PATCH] " James Jones
2022-03-12 18:06 ` James Jones
2022-03-13 11:56   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-03-13 18:26     ` James Jones
2022-03-15  9:44       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-03-15 19:51   ` Kees Cook
2022-03-16  5:06     ` James Jones
2022-03-16 12:38       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-16 22:30         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-17  2:04           ` James Jones
2022-03-17  2:08             ` David Laight
2022-03-17 10:17             ` Borislav Petkov
2022-03-17 18:53             ` Kees Cook
2022-03-17  2:32           ` David Laight
2022-03-17  3:22             ` Kees Cook
2022-03-16 16:10       ` Kees Cook
2022-03-16 17:05         ` David Laight
2022-04-02 22:14       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-03  2:24         ` Kees Cook
2022-04-04 11:03           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-04 17:07             ` David Laight
2022-04-04 18:18               ` Kees Cook
2022-04-04  8:24         ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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