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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Sultan Alsawaf" <sultan@kerneltoast.com>,
	"Jonathan Neuschäfer" <j.neuschaefer@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v1] random: do not take spinlocks in irq handler
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 21:53:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yf2SNpi5847c7ceK@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9pucLWXDofvOgHEau3y-7RmdtU91_jQHSt7psuR22eXBg@mail.gmail.com>

On 2022-02-04 16:58:58 [+0100], Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> FWIW, the biggest issue with this
> 
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:32 PM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
> > +static void mix_interrupt_randomness(struct work_struct *work)
> > +{
> [...]
> > +       if (unlikely(crng_init == 0)) {
> > +               if (crng_fast_load((u8 *)&fast_pool->pool, sizeof(fast_pool->pool)) > 0)
> > +                       atomic_set(&fast_pool->count, 0);
> > +               else
> > +                       atomic_and(~FAST_POOL_MIX_INFLIGHT, &fast_pool->count);
> > +               return;
> > +       }
> [...]
> >  void add_interrupt_randomness(int irq)
> > -       if (unlikely(crng_init == 0)) {
> > -               if ((fast_pool->count >= 64) &&
> > -                   crng_fast_load((u8 *)fast_pool->pool, sizeof(fast_pool->pool)) > 0) {
> > -                       fast_pool->count = 0;
> > -                       fast_pool->last = now;
> > -               }
> > -               return;
> 
> The point of crng_fast_load is to shuffle bytes into the crng as fast
> as possible for very early boot usage. Deferring that to a workqueue
> seems problematic. So I think at the very least _that_ part will have
> to stay in the IRQ handler. That means we've still got a spinlock. But
> at least it's a less problematic one than the input pool spinlock, and
> perhaps we can deal with that some other way than this patch's
> approach.

RT wise we _could_ acquire that spinlock_t in IRQ context early during
boot as long as system_state < SYSTEM_SCHEDULING. After that, we could
dead lock.

> In other words, this approach for the calls to mix_pool_bytes, and a
> different approach for that call to crng_fast_load.
> 
> Jason

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-04 20:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-07 12:17 [PATCH 0/5] random: Add PREEMPT_RT support Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-07 12:17 ` [PATCH 1/5] random: Remove unused irq_flags argument from add_interrupt_randomness() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-07 12:44   ` Wei Liu
2021-12-07 17:35   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2021-12-07 12:17 ` [PATCH 2/5] irq: Remove unsued flags argument from __handle_irq_event_percpu() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-07 17:41   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2021-12-11 22:39     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-12-12 21:13       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2021-12-07 12:17 ` [PATCH 3/5] random: Split add_interrupt_randomness() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-07 12:17 ` [PATCH 4/5] random: Move the fast_pool reset into the caller Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-07 12:17 ` [PATCH 5/5] random: Defer processing of randomness on PREEMPT_RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-07 18:14   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2021-12-07 20:10     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-13 15:16       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-17  2:23       ` Herbert Xu
2021-12-17  9:00         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-18  3:24           ` Herbert Xu
2021-12-19  9:48             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-20  2:56               ` Herbert Xu
2021-12-20 14:38       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-12 17:49         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-01-30 22:55           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-31 16:33             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-02-04 15:31               ` [PATCH RFC v1] random: do not take spinlocks in irq handler Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-04 15:58                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-04 20:53                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2022-02-04 20:47                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-02-04 22:08                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-04 23:09                     ` [PATCH v2] random: defer fast pool mixing to worker Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-05  4:02                   ` [PATCH RFC v1] random: do not take spinlocks in irq handler Sultan Alsawaf
2022-02-05 12:50                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld

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