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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Stephen Brennan <stephen.s.brennan@oracle.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] printk: disable optimistic spin during panic
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:25:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YfKrcQwtXjR87E3q@alley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877dalpcvz.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>

On Thu 2022-01-27 13:49:44, John Ogness wrote:
> On 2022-01-27, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> > I mean that chance of dealock caused by the internal semaohore spin
> > lock is super small. In compare, a lot of tricky code is guarded
> > by console_sem. It looks like a big risk to ignore the semaphore
> > early in panic().
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> > A better solution would be to use raw_spin_trylock_irqsave() in
> > down_trylock().
> 
> down_trylock() is attempting to decrement a semaphore. It should not
> fail just because another CPU is also in the process of
> decrementing/incrementing the semaphore.

IMHO, it does not matter. As you say, raw_spin_trylock_irqsave() fails
only when another process is about to release or take the semaphore.
The semaphore is usually taken for a long time. The tiny window when
the counter is manipulated is negligible.

I mean, if down_trylock() fails because of raw_spin_trylock_irqsave()
failure then it is few instructions from failing even with the lock.

> Maybe a down_trylock_cond() could be introduced where the trylock could
> fail if a given condition is not met. The function would need to
> implement its own internal trylock spin loop to check the condition. But
> then we could pass in a condition for it to abort. For example, when in
> panic and we are not the panic CPU.

This looks too complicated.

Another solution would be to introduce panic_down_trylock() variant
of down_trylock() that will use raw_spin_trylock_irqsave(). The normal
down_trylock() might still use the raw_spin_lock_irqsave().

Well, this should get discussed with the locking people.

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-27 14:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-21 19:02 [PATCH 0/4] printk: reduce deadlocks during panic Stephen Brennan
2022-01-21 19:02 ` [PATCH 1/4] panic: Add panic_in_progress helper Stephen Brennan
2022-01-25 11:48   ` Petr Mladek
2022-01-26 17:37     ` Stephen Brennan
2022-01-21 19:02 ` [PATCH 2/4] printk: disable optimistic spin during panic Stephen Brennan
2022-01-25 12:42   ` Petr Mladek
2022-01-26  9:18   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-01-26  9:45     ` John Ogness
2022-01-26 10:06       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-01-26 18:15         ` Stephen Brennan
2022-01-27  7:11           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-01-27  9:09             ` John Ogness
2022-01-27 11:38             ` Petr Mladek
2022-01-27 12:43               ` John Ogness
2022-01-27 14:25                 ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2022-01-21 19:02 ` [PATCH 3/4] printk: Avoid livelock with heavy printk " Stephen Brennan
2022-01-25 14:25   ` Petr Mladek
2022-01-21 19:02 ` [PATCH 4/4] printk: Drop console_sem " Stephen Brennan
2022-01-24 16:12   ` John Ogness
2022-01-24 16:26     ` John Ogness
2022-01-25 15:04     ` Petr Mladek

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