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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] kprobes: Enable tracing for mololithic kernel images
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 08:37:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YqGHMs4ha7JMvODf@iki.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMj1kXFsdEq6XZ6eOuf8Ks-F4qgneVxFeLYNN_S4JaPy8koEyw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 06:27:51PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> Hello Jarkko,
> 
> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 at 02:02, Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@profian.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tracing with kprobes while running a monolithic kernel is currently
> > impossible because CONFIG_KPROBES is dependent of CONFIG_MODULES.  This
> > dependency is a result of kprobes code using the module allocator for the
> > trampoline code.
> >
> > Detaching kprobes from modules helps to squeeze down the user space,
> > e.g. when developing new core kernel features, while still having all
> > the nice tracing capabilities.
> >
> > For kernel/ and arch/*, move module_alloc() and module_memfree() to
> > module_alloc.c, and compile as part of vmlinux when either CONFIG_MODULES
> > or CONFIG_KPROBES is enabled.  In addition, flag kernel module specific
> > code with CONFIG_MODULES.
> >
> > As the result, kprobes can be used with a monolithic kernel.
> 
> I think I may have mentioned this the previous time as well, but I
> don't think this is the right approach.

OK, I apologize for my ignorance. It's been a while.

> Kprobes uses alloc_insn_page() to allocate executable memory, but the
> requirements for this memory are radically different compared to
> loadable modules, which need to be within an arch-specific distance of
> the core kernel, need KASAN backing etc etc.
> 
> This is why arm64, for instance, does not implement alloc_insn_page()
> in terms of module_alloc() [and likely does not belong in this patch
> for that reason]
> 
> Is there any reason kprobes cannot simply use vmalloc()?

All arch's, except nios2 use vmalloc() in the end for module_alloc().
nios2 uses kmalloc() for the reasons that I'm not aware of, but it does
not support kprobes in the first place.

Based on this, I think that could work out just fine.

I could cope with that.

BR, Jarkko

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-06-09  5:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-07 23:59 [PATCH] kprobes: Enable tracing for mololithic kernel images Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-06-08  2:35 ` Guo Ren
2022-06-08  5:25   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-06-08 14:21     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-06-08 16:12       ` Song Liu
2022-06-08 18:20         ` Song Liu
2022-06-08 20:26           ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-06-09  3:48             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-09 13:24               ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-06-09 18:41                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-06-09 22:48                   ` Song Liu
2022-06-14 12:32                   ` jarkko
2022-06-15  6:37                     ` hch
2022-06-15 21:29                       ` jarkko
2022-06-09 13:12         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-06-09 13:23           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-06-12 12:18             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-06-14 10:54             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <f7ff2a8d-4128-dac9-9768-1d98bfb06a06@csgroup.eu>
2022-06-09 22:23           ` Song Liu
2022-06-09 12:59       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-06-08 16:27 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-06-08 18:19   ` Song Liu
2022-06-12 12:30     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-06-14 12:30       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-06-09  5:37   ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2022-06-09  7:47 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-06-09 11:48   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-06-09 13:44   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-06-14 12:26     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]       ` <144b7e90-5d75-7e2c-4e54-8a73f914dfdf@csgroup.eu>
2022-06-15 21:24         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found] ` <f2030fb4-4978-068b-6250-5bd5b2746675@csgroup.eu>
2022-06-09 12:57   ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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