From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: "Paul Heidekrüger" <paul.heidekrueger@in.tum.de>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
Charalampos Mainas <charalampos.mainas@gmail.com>,
Pramod Bhatotia <pramod.bhatotia@in.tum.de>,
Soham Chakraborty <s.s.chakraborty@tudelft.nl>,
Martin Fink <martin.fink@in.tum.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] tools/memory-model: Clarify LKMM's limitations in litmus-tests.txt
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 12:14:46 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YsgftiGp/eOQIkdy@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220614154812.1870099-1-paul.heidekrueger@in.tum.de>
On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 03:48:11PM +0000, Paul Heidekrüger wrote:
> As discussed, clarify LKMM not recognizing certain kinds of orderings.
> In particular, highlight the fact that LKMM might deliberately make
> weaker guarantees than compilers and architectures.
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/YpoW1deb%2FQeeszO1@ethstick13.dse.in.tum.de/T/#u
> Signed-off-by: Paul Heidekrüger <paul.heidekrueger@in.tum.de>
> Co-developed-by: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
> Cc: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
> Cc: Charalampos Mainas <charalampos.mainas@gmail.com>
> Cc: Pramod Bhatotia <pramod.bhatotia@in.tum.de>
> Cc: Soham Chakraborty <s.s.chakraborty@tudelft.nl>
> Cc: Martin Fink <martin.fink@in.tum.de>
> ---
Reviewed-by: Joel Fernandes (Google) <joel@joelfernandes.org>
thanks,
- Joel
> v2:
> - Incorporate Alan Stern's feedback.
> - Add suggested text by Alan Stern to clearly state how the branch and the
> smp_mb() affect ordering.
> - Add "Co-developed-by: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>" based on the
> above.
>
> .../Documentation/litmus-tests.txt | 37 ++++++++++++++-----
> 1 file changed, 27 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt
> index 8a9d5d2787f9..cc355999815c 100644
> --- a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt
> +++ b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt
> @@ -946,22 +946,39 @@ Limitations of the Linux-kernel memory model (LKMM) include:
> carrying a dependency, then the compiler can break that dependency
> by substituting a constant of that value.
>
> - Conversely, LKMM sometimes doesn't recognize that a particular
> - optimization is not allowed, and as a result, thinks that a
> - dependency is not present (because the optimization would break it).
> - The memory model misses some pretty obvious control dependencies
> - because of this limitation. A simple example is:
> + Conversely, LKMM will sometimes overestimate the amount of
> + reordering compilers and CPUs can carry out, leading it to miss
> + some pretty obvious cases of ordering. A simple example is:
>
> r1 = READ_ONCE(x);
> if (r1 == 0)
> smp_mb();
> WRITE_ONCE(y, 1);
>
> - There is a control dependency from the READ_ONCE to the WRITE_ONCE,
> - even when r1 is nonzero, but LKMM doesn't realize this and thinks
> - that the write may execute before the read if r1 != 0. (Yes, that
> - doesn't make sense if you think about it, but the memory model's
> - intelligence is limited.)
> + The WRITE_ONCE() does not depend on the READ_ONCE(), and as a
> + result, LKMM does not claim ordering. However, even though no
> + dependency is present, the WRITE_ONCE() will not be executed before
> + the READ_ONCE(). There are two reasons for this:
> +
> + The presence of the smp_mb() in one of the branches
> + prevents the compiler from moving the WRITE_ONCE()
> + up before the "if" statement, since the compiler has
> + to assume that r1 will sometimes be 0 (but see the
> + comment below);
> +
> + CPUs do not execute stores before po-earlier conditional
> + branches, even in cases where the store occurs after the
> + two arms of the branch have recombined.
> +
> + It is clear that it is not dangerous in the slightest for LKMM to
> + make weaker guarantees than architectures. In fact, it is
> + desirable, as it gives compilers room for making optimizations.
> + For instance, suppose that a 0 value in r1 would trigger undefined
> + behavior elsewhere. Then a clever compiler might deduce that r1
> + can never be 0 in the if condition. As a result, said clever
> + compiler might deem it safe to optimize away the smp_mb(),
> + eliminating the branch and any ordering an architecture would
> + guarantee otherwise.
>
> 2. Multiple access sizes for a single variable are not supported,
> and neither are misaligned or partially overlapping accesses.
> --
> 2.35.1
>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-08 12:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-06-13 12:27 [PATCH] tools/memory-model: Clarify LKMM's limitations in litmus-tests.txt Paul Heidekrüger
2022-06-13 15:46 ` Alan Stern
2022-06-14 15:48 ` [PATCH v2] " Paul Heidekrüger
2022-07-08 11:44 ` Marco Elver
2022-07-08 14:45 ` Alan Stern
2022-07-08 18:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-07-11 15:14 ` Paul Heidekrüger
2022-07-11 16:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-07-12 6:45 ` Paul Heidekrüger
2022-07-08 12:14 ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
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