From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
jirislaby@kernel.org, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Asahi Linux <asahi@lists.linux.dev>,
Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Debugging a TTY race condition on M1 (memory ordering dragons)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 11:04:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YvqKtJn5eBsDJXBI@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <63cd54a8-3c48-d1b9-406a-c521bd02ee4a@marcan.st>
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 01:01:17AM +0900, Hector Martin wrote:
> (Resend, because I still can't use mail clients properly it seems...)
>
> On 15/08/2022 22.47, Will Deacon wrote:
> > As I mentioned in the thread you linked to, the architecture was undergoing
> > review in this area. I should've followed back up, but in the end it was
> > tightened retrospectively to provide the behaviour you wanted. This was
> > achieved by augmenting the barrier-ordered-before relation with:
> >
> > * RW1 is a memory write effect W1 and is generated by an atomic instruction
> > with both Acquire and Release semantics.
> >
> > You can see this in the latest Arm ARM.
> >
> > However, test_and_set_bit() is unordered on failure (i.e. when the bit is
> > unchanged) and uses READ_ONCE() as a quick check before the RmW. See the
> > "ORDERING" section of Documentation/atomic_bitops.txt.
>
> Argh, I'd completely missed that early exit (and had stumbled on an
> unofficial doc that said it was always ordered, which confused me).
> Indeed, getting rid of the early exit it fixes the problem.
>
> > I think you're missing the "shortcut" in test_and_set_bit():
> >
> > if (READ_ONCE(*p) & mask)
> > return 1;
> >
> > old = arch_atomic_long_fetch_or(mask, (atomic_long_t *)p);
> >
> > so if the bit is already set (which I think is the 'ret == false' case)
> > then you've only got a control dependency here and we elide writing to
> > B.
>
> Completely missed it. Ouch.
>
> >
> >>
> >> CPU#2:
> >> DMB ISHST
> >> STR B
> >
> > Missing DMB ISH here from the smp_mb()?
>
> Yup, my apologies, that was a brain fart while writing the email. I did
> have it in the litmus tests (and they indeed completely fail without it).
>
> > If that non-atomic store is hitting the same variable, then it cannot land
> > in the middle of the atomic RmW. The architecture says:
> >
> > | The atomic instructions perform atomic read and write operations on a memory
> > | location such that the architecture guarantees that no modification of that
> > | memory location by another observer can occur between the read and the write
> > | defined by that instruction.
> >
> > and the .cat file used by herd has a separate constraint for this (see the
> > "empty rmw & (fre; coe) as atomic" line).
>
> Ha, I was using G.a from Jan 2021 (back when I started working on this
> M1 stuff), and it looks like that wording was added as an issue after
> that (D17572) :-)
>
> > There's never anything obvious when you're working with this sort of stuff,
> > but my suggestion is that we work towards a litmus tests that we both agree
> > represents the code and then take it from there. At the moment there's an
> > awful lof of information, but you can see from my comments that I'm not
> > up to speed with you yet!
>
> I think you nailed it with the early exit, I'd completely missed that. I
> think I can fairly confidently say that's the issue now. As for the
> litmus test, indeed with the revised definitions of the memory model /
> ARM my concerns no longer apply, hence why I couldn't reproduce them
> (and the hardware, thankfully, seems to agree here).
>
> Workqueues are broken. Yay! I'll send a patch.
>
Hmm.. but doesn't your (and Will's) finding actually show why
queue_work() only guarantee ordering if queuing succeeds? In other
words, if you want extra ordering, use smp_mb() before queue_work()
like:
smp_mb(); // pairs with smp_mb() in set_work_pool_and_clear_pending()
queue_work(); // if queue_work() return false, it means the work
// is pending, and someone will eventually clear
// the pending bit, with the smp_mb() above it's
// guaranteed that work function will see the
// memory accesses above.
Of course, I shall defer this to workqueue folks. Just saying that it
may not be broken. We have a few similar guarantees, for example,
wake_up_process() only provides ordering if it really wakes up a
process.
Regards,
Boqun
> - Hector
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-08-15 18:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-15 11:16 Debugging a TTY race condition on M1 (memory ordering dragons) Hector Martin
2022-08-15 13:47 ` Will Deacon
2022-08-15 13:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-15 16:01 ` Hector Martin
2022-08-15 18:04 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2022-08-15 18:26 ` Hector Martin
2022-08-15 18:58 ` Boqun Feng
2022-08-15 19:15 ` Hector Martin
2022-08-15 19:24 ` Boqun Feng
2022-08-15 19:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
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