From: Demi Marie Obenour <demi@invisiblethingslab.com>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, "Juergen Gross" <jgross@suse.com>,
"Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
"Oleksandr Tyshchenko" <oleksandr_tyshchenko@epam.com>,
"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
"Anton Vorontsov" <anton@enomsg.org>,
"Colin Cross" <ccross@android.com>,
"Tony Luck" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
"Marek Marczykowski-Górecki" <marmarek@invisiblethingslab.com>,
"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] Avoid using EFI tables Xen may have clobbered
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2022 14:11:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yz3I2qwl243h9ZfZ@itl-email> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a0dc1158-01b1-4272-b86e-52f4996f0747@suse.com>
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On Wed, Oct 05, 2022 at 08:15:07AM +0200, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 04.10.2022 17:46, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
> > Linux has a function called efi_mem_reserve() that is used to reserve
> > EfiBootServicesData memory that contains e.g. EFI configuration tables.
> > This function does not work under Xen because Xen could have already
> > clobbered the memory. efi_mem_reserve() not working is the whole reason
> > for this thread, as it prevents EFI tables that are in
> > EfiBootServicesData from being used under Xen.
> >
> > A much nicer approach would be for Xen to reserve boot services memory
> > unconditionally, but provide a hypercall that dom0 could used to free
> > the parts of EfiBootServicesData memory that are no longer needed. This
> > would allow efi_mem_reserve() to work normally.
>
> efi_mem_reserve() actually working would be a layering violation;
> controlling the EFI memory map is entirely Xen's job.
Doing this properly would require Xen to understand all of the EFI
tables that could validly be in EfiBootServices* and which could be of
interest to dom0. It might (at least on some very buggy firmware)
require a partial ACPI and/or SMBIOS implementation too, if the firmware
decided to put an ACPI or SMBIOS table in EfiBootServices*.
> As to the hypercall you suggest - I wouldn't mind its addition, but only
> for the case when -mapbs is used. As I've indicated before, I'm of the
> opinion that default behavior should be matching the intentions of the
> spec, and the intention of EfiBootServices* is for the space to be
> reclaimed. Plus I'm sure you realize there's a caveat with Dom0 using
> that hypercall: It might use it for regions where data lives which it
> wouldn't care about itself, but which an eventual kexec-ed (or alike)
> entity would later want to consume. Code/data potentially usable by
> _anyone_ between two resets of the system cannot legitimately be freed
> (and hence imo is wrong to live in EfiBootServices* regions).
I agree, but currently some such data *is* in EfiBootServices* regions,
sadly. When -mapbs is *not* used, I recommend uninstalling all of the
configuration tables that point to EfiBootServicesData memory before
freeing that memory.
> In a way one could view the Dom0 kernel as an "or alike" entity ...
It is indeed such an entity.
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Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)
Invisible Things Lab
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-05 18:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-29 23:02 [PATCH v4 0/2] EFI improvements for Xen dom0 Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-29 23:02 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] Avoid using EFI tables Xen may have clobbered Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-30 6:44 ` Jan Beulich
2022-09-30 16:30 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-30 17:11 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-30 18:27 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-30 18:50 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-10-01 0:30 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-10-04 8:22 ` Jan Beulich
2022-10-04 15:46 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-10-05 6:15 ` Jan Beulich
2022-10-05 18:11 ` Demi Marie Obenour [this message]
2022-10-05 21:28 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-10-06 1:40 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-10-06 7:31 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-10-06 14:43 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-10-06 16:19 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-10-06 17:22 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-10-06 17:56 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-10-06 9:22 ` Jan Beulich
2022-09-30 16:38 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-30 16:25 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-30 18:15 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-30 18:42 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-30 19:00 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-29 23:02 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] Support ESRT in Xen dom0 Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-30 16:36 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-30 18:21 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-30 19:11 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-30 20:20 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-30 20:59 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-30 21:24 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-09-30 22:22 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2022-09-30 22:25 ` Demi Marie Obenour
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