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From: Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>
To: Yu Liao <liaoyu15@huawei.com>
Cc: Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	<x86@kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	<len.brown@intel.com>, <wangxiongfeng2@huawei.com>,
	Xie XiuQi <xiexiuqi@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/PCI: Convert force_disable_hpet() to standard quirk
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 08:38:19 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YzY6e0UwDAyU1GrX@feng-clx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9d3bf570-3108-0336-9c52-9bee15767d29@huawei.com>

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:52:28PM +0800, Yu Liao wrote:
> On 2020/12/2 15:28, Zhang Rui wrote:
> > On Mon, 2020-11-30 at 20:21 +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >> Feng,
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 27 2020 at 14:11, Feng Tang wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 12:27:34AM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 26 2020 at 09:24, Feng Tang wrote:
> >>>> Yes, that can happen. But OTOH, we should start to think about
> >>>> the
> >>>> requirements for using the TSC watchdog.
> > 
> > My original proposal is to disable jiffies and refined-jiffies as the
> > clocksource watchdog, because they are not reliable and it's better to
> > use clocksource that has a hardware counter as watchdog, like the patch
> > below, which I didn't sent out for upstream.
> > 
> >>From cf9ce0ecab8851a3745edcad92e072022af3dbd9 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > From: Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 22:03:23 +0800
> > Subject: [RFC PATCH] time/clocksource: do not use refined-jiffies as watchdog
> > 
> > On IA platforms, if HPET is disabled, either via x86 early-quirks, or
> > via kernel commandline, refined-jiffies will be used as clocksource
> > watchdog in early boot phase, before acpi_pm timer registered.
> > 
> > This is not a problem if jiffies are accurate.
> > But in some cases, for example, when serial console is enabled, it may
> > take several milliseconds to write to the console, with irq disabled,
> > frequently. Thus many ticks may become longer than it should be.
> > 
> > Using refined-jiffies as watchdog in this case breaks the system because
> > a) duration calculated by refined-jiffies watchdog is always consistent
> >    with the watchdog timeout issued using add_timer(), say, around 500ms.
> > b) duration calculated by the running clocksource, usually TSC on IA
> >    platforms, reflects the real time cost, which may be much larger.
> > This results in the running clocksource being disabled erroneously.
> > 
> > This is reproduced on ICL because HPET is disabled in x86 early-quirks,
> > and also reproduced on a KBL and a WHL platform when HPET is disabled
> > via command line.
> > 
> > BTW, commit fd329f276eca
> > ("x86/mtrr: Skip cache flushes on CPUs with cache self-snooping") is
> > another example that refined-jiffies causes the same problem when ticks
> > become slow for some other reason.
> 
> Hi, Zhang Rui, we have met the same problem as you mentioned above. I have
> tested the following modification. It can solve the problem. Do you have plan
> to push it to upstream ?

Hi Liao Yu,

Could you provoide more details? Like, what ARCH is the platform (x86
or others), client or sever, if sever, how many sockets (2S/4S/8S)?

The error kernel log will also be helpful.

Thanks,
Feng

> Thanks,
> Liao Yu
> 
> > 
> > IMO, the right solution is to only use hardware clocksource as watchdog.
> > Then even if ticks are slow, both the running clocksource and the watchdog
> > returns real time cost, and they still match.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
> > ---
> >  kernel/time/clocksource.c | 4 ++++
> >  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/kernel/time/clocksource.c b/kernel/time/clocksource.c
> > index 02441ead3c3b..e7e703858fa6 100644
> > --- a/kernel/time/clocksource.c
> > +++ b/kernel/time/clocksource.c
> > @@ -364,6 +364,10 @@ static void clocksource_select_watchdog(bool fallback)
> >  		watchdog = NULL;
> >  
> >  	list_for_each_entry(cs, &clocksource_list, list) {
> > +		/* Do not use refined-jiffies as clocksource watchdog */
> > +		if (cs->rating <= 2)
> > +			continue;
> > +
> >  		/* cs is a clocksource to be watched. */
> >  		if (cs->flags & CLOCK_SOURCE_MUST_VERIFY)
> >  			continue;
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-30  0:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-19 18:19 [PATCH] x86/PCI: Convert force_disable_hpet() to standard quirk Bjorn Helgaas
2020-11-24 23:27 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-11-25 12:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-25 19:13   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-11-26  0:50     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-26  1:24   ` Feng Tang
2020-11-26 23:27     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-27  6:11       ` Feng Tang
2020-11-30 19:21         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-01  8:34           ` Feng Tang
2020-12-02  7:28           ` Zhang Rui
2022-09-29 15:52             ` Yu Liao
2022-09-30  0:38               ` Feng Tang [this message]
2022-09-30  1:05                 ` Xiongfeng Wang
2022-09-30  1:15                   ` Feng Tang
2022-09-30  9:45                     ` Yu Liao
2022-09-30 10:13                       ` Feng Tang
2022-10-01  5:18                         ` Zhang Rui
2022-10-01 12:00                           ` Feng Tang

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