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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/alternatives: remove false sharing in poke_int3_handler()
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 12:26:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z-KS7H6666PZ3eKv@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250325103047.GH36322@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>


* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 09:41:10AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 08:53:31AM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > > 
> > > > BTW the atomic_cond_read_acquire() part is never called even during my
> > > > stress test.
> > > 
> > > Yes, IIRC this is due to text_poke_sync() serializing the state, as that
> > > does a synchronous IPI broadcast, which by necessity requires all
> > > previous INT3 handlers to complete.
> > > 
> > > You can only hit that case if the INT3 remains after step-3 (IOW you're
> > > actively writing INT3 into the text). This is exceedingly rare.
> > 
> > Might make sense to add a comment for that.
> 
> Sure, find below.
> 
> > Also, any strong objections against doing this in the namespace:
> > 
> >   s/bp_/int3_
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Half of the code already calls it a variant of 'int3', half of it 'bp', 
> > which I had to think for a couple of seconds goes for breakpoint, not 
> > base pointer ... ;-)
> 
> It actually is breakpoint, as in INT3 raises #BP. For complete confusion
> the things that are commonly known as debug breakpoints, those things in
> DR7, they raise #DB or debug exceptions.

Yeah, it's a software breakpoint, swbp, that raises the #BP trap.

'bp' is confusingly aliased (in my brain at least) with 'base pointer' 
register naming and assembler syntax: as in bp, ebp, rbp.

So I'd prefer if it was named consistently:

  text_poke_int3_batch()
  text_poke_int3_handler()
  ...

Not the current mishmash of:

  text_poke_bp_batch()
  poke_int3_handler()
  ...

Does this make more sense?

> > Might as well standardize on int3_ and call it a day?
> 
> Yeah, perhaps. At some point you've got to know that INT3->#BP and
> DR7->#DB and it all sorta makes sense, but *shrug* :-)

Yeah, so I do know what #BP is, but what the heck disambiguates the two 
meanings of _bp and why do we have the above jungle of an inconsistent 
namespace? :-)

Picking _int3 would neatly solve all of that.

> diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/alternative.c b/arch/x86/kernel/alternative.c
> index bf82c6f7d690..01e94603e767 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/kernel/alternative.c
> +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/alternative.c
> @@ -2749,6 +2749,13 @@ static void text_poke_bp_batch(struct text_poke_loc *tp, unsigned int nr_entries
>  
>  	/*
>  	 * Remove and wait for refs to be zero.
> +	 *
> +	 * Notably, if after step-3 above the INT3 got removed, then the
> +	 * text_poke_sync() will have serialized against any running INT3
> +	 * handlers and the below spin-wait will not happen.
> +	 *
> +	 * IOW. unless the replacement instruction is INT3, this case goes
> +	 * unused.
>  	 */
>  	if (!atomic_dec_and_test(&bp_desc.refs))
>  		atomic_cond_read_acquire(&bp_desc.refs, !VAL);

Thanks! I stuck this into tip:x86/alternatives, with your SOB.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-25 11:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-23  7:25 [PATCH] x86/alternatives: remove false sharing in poke_int3_handler() Eric Dumazet
2025-03-23 21:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-24  3:59   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-03-24  7:16     ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-24  7:47       ` Eric Dumazet
2025-03-24  7:53         ` Eric Dumazet
2025-03-24  8:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-24 11:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-25  8:41             ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-25 10:30               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-25 11:26                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2025-03-25 12:31                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-27 20:56                     ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-25 11:36                 ` [tip: x86/alternatives] x86/alternatives: Document the text_poke_bp_batch() synchronization rules a bit more tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-24  8:02         ` [PATCH] x86/alternatives: remove false sharing in poke_int3_handler() Ingo Molnar
2025-03-24  8:20           ` Eric Dumazet

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