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From: Wolfram Sang <wsa+renesas@sang-engineering.com>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: Avri Altman <Avri.Altman@sandisk.com>,
	"linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>,
	"linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] mmc: core: Further avoid re-storing power to the eMMC before a shutdown
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2025 12:46:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z-pyfv_7gJ72YWhz@shikoro> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFr0MvQDxsi-Qd0F=1KuR4Gy6s5bhVdOXRt9K14Z9sO2Kw@mail.gmail.com>

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Hi Ulf,

> > > > +static bool mmc_may_poweroff_notify(const struct mmc_host *host,
> > > > +                               bool is_suspend)
> >
> > Maybe add some comments about the difference between
> > mmc_can_poweroff_notify() and mmc_may_poweroff_notify()? Like make it
> > super-obvious, so I will easily remember next year again :)
> 
> mmc_can_* functions are mostly about checking what the card is capable
> of. So mmc_can_poweroff_notify() should be consistent with the other
> similar functions.
> 
> For eMMC power-off notifications in particular, it has become more
> complicated as we need to check the power-off scenario along with the
> host's capabilities, to understand what we should do.
> 
> I am certainly open to another name than mmc_may_power_off_notify(),
> if that is what you are suggesting. Do you have a proposal? :-)

Initially, I didn't think of new names but some explanation in comments.
But since you are mentioning a rename now, how about:

mmc_card_can_poweroff_notify() and mmc_host_can_poweroff_notify()?

Similar to the commit 32f18e596141 ("mmc: improve API to make clear
hw_reset callback is for cards") where I renamed 'hw_reset' to
'card_hw_reset' for AFAICS similar reasons.

> > > >     if (mmc_can_poweroff_notify(host->card) &&
> > > > -           !(host->caps2 & MMC_CAP2_FULL_PWR_CYCLE))
> > > > +       !mmc_may_poweroff_notify(host, true))
> > > I guess this deserve some extra documentation because:
> > > If MMC_CAP2_FULL_PWR_CYCLE is not set but MMC_CAP2_FULL_PWR_CYCLE_IN_SUSPEND is set,
> > > !mmc_may_poweroff_notify(host, true) will evaluate to false while !(host->caps2 & MMC_CAP2_FULL_PWR_CYCLE) will evaluate to true.
> 
> Right. See more below.
> 
> >
> > I agree, I neither get this. Another way to express my confusion is: Why
> > do we set the 'is_suspend' flag to true in the shutdown function?
> >
> 
> I understand your concern and I agree that this is rather messy.
> Anyway, for shutdown, we set the is_suspend flag to false. The
> reasoning behind this is that during shutdown we know that the card
> will be fully powered-down (both vcc and vccq will be cut).
> 
> In suspend/runtime_suspend, we don't really know as it depends on what
> the platform/host is capable of. If we can't do a full power-off
> (maybe just vcc can be cut), then we prefer the sleep command instead.

I do understand that. I don't see why this needs a change in the
existing logic as Alan pointed out above.

> I was hoping that patch3 should make this more clear (using an enum

Sadly, it didn't. Using MMC_POWEROFF_SUSPEND first and then later
MMC_POWEROFF_SHUTDOWN in mmc_shutdown() is still confusing. Do you want
to return false in case none of the two PWR_CYCLE flags is set?

> type), but I can try to add some comment(s) in the code to further
> clarify the policy.

Please do.

All the best,

   Wolfram


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-31 10:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-20 14:00 [PATCH 0/5] mmc: core: Add support for graceful host removal for eMMC/SD Ulf Hansson
2025-03-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 1/5] mmc: core: Convert mmc_can_poweroff_notify() into a bool Ulf Hansson
2025-03-28 13:39   ` Avri Altman
2025-03-31  8:14   ` Wolfram Sang
2025-03-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 2/5] mmc: core: Further avoid re-storing power to the eMMC before a shutdown Ulf Hansson
2025-03-28 13:55   ` Avri Altman
2025-03-31  8:21     ` Wolfram Sang
2025-03-31  9:13       ` Ulf Hansson
2025-03-31 10:46         ` Wolfram Sang [this message]
2025-03-31 12:06           ` Ulf Hansson
2025-04-01  6:51             ` Wolfram Sang
2025-04-01 11:50               ` Ulf Hansson
2025-03-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 3/5] mmc: core: Convert into an enum for the poweroff-type for eMMC Ulf Hansson
2025-03-31  8:22   ` Wolfram Sang
2025-03-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 4/5] mmc: core: Add support for graceful host removal " Ulf Hansson
2025-03-28  8:13   ` Avri Altman
2025-03-28 10:21     ` Ulf Hansson
2025-03-31  8:27       ` Wolfram Sang
2025-03-31  8:23   ` Wolfram Sang
2025-03-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 5/5] mmc: core: Add support for graceful host removal for SD Ulf Hansson
2025-03-31  8:30   ` Wolfram Sang
2025-04-01  8:50     ` Wolfram Sang
2025-04-01  8:51       ` Wolfram Sang
2025-04-01 11:51         ` Ulf Hansson
2025-03-20 15:50 ` [PATCH 0/5] mmc: core: Add support for graceful host removal for eMMC/SD Wolfram Sang
2025-03-31  8:32   ` Wolfram Sang

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